Resist The Authoritarian Response To The Coronavirus

[It’s so Joever]

No one will EVER prevent me from attending mass obligations for any reason. If Pennsylvania instituted this, I will flee to New Jersey or Virginia. If all churches complied and locked their doors, I will livestream from outside the church. If anyone tried to stop me and others from fulfilling that obligation as best I can, I will have to start exercising my other rights.
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Does this sound like a serious comment of yours?
You describe your commitment to your religion, and then end it by saying that you may need to possibly shoot people.
WTF is that? What level of morality is in your soul?
I didnt even know you were religious. Is this another (poor) troll attempt from you?
And if you are religious (Christian I assume), shame on you for wanting to "exercise your other rights," just because you cant go to mass.

I have never missed mass and never intend to. No one will infringe on that right. It seems the churches are closed up and down the east coast. Standing outside and streaming it is.

I am ashamed that at one point we ever supported the same candidate...

Seriously,
THINK ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE.
This isn’t about you, this is about American lives, and the complete collapse of our healthcare system. Learn to compromise, and stop with the spoiled attitude in times of tragedy.

I am harming nobody by standing outside a church building one and a half blocks from my home in order to honor the Lord in open air. I have been far more considerate about the impacts of this disease than 90% of Americans who are continuing about their business as usual all up in each other's faces on the sidewalk. I do not believe in compromise but unflinchingly following absolute moral directives. I will not let your completely baseless teenage paranoia dictate my life when I am more considerate than everyone around me.

In case you haven't noticed, we are living in perpetual tragedy even in the greatest time of human history in the best country in the world. And this will barely register amongst some of the worst domestic tragedies in my lifetime. [For Italy and Iran, I am certain it will be one of the most devastating events of the past century due to unfortunate circumstances, but that is besides the point. It could have been for us too, but we have better demographics/family structures, resources, and to an extent, response.]

Speaking of "tragedies" - I am reminded of the classic George Costanza quote:
"51 people?! That's it?! I thought it was like a thousand!...That's no tragedy! How many people do you lose from a normal [virus] - 30? 40?" (You can multiply both those numbers by 500 for this exercise.) THIS IS NOT THE BLACK PLAGUE

We are NO different than Italy right now, and we will be there in a few weeks, so don’t act like America is magically special. I know you like to live with your head under the sand in American exceptionalism, but news flash, this will hit us hard as well. And you do understand how many more people will die from the crumbling of our already terrible healthcare system, right?!?!?! Or are you just going to pretend none of that will happen so that you can feel better about your apathy?

Go stand outside of a church building by yourself for all I care, I thought you were referring to going into a group of people and that’s different.
But know that we are no different and this will hit us hard.

[It’s so Joever]

Let’s be honest here, a large number of the “anti-authoritarian” posters who are against these lockdown measures seem more concerned about inconveniences to their own lives as opposed to actual authoritarianism. That isn’t everyone, but some posters definitely seem to be more concerned about themselves than, well, authoritarianism.

[It’s so Joever]

I wish we had an “authoritarian” response ten days ago when this was posted. Looks like freedom doesn’t cure Covid-19, who knew?

[It’s so Joever]

It's hard to believe the U.S. is doing worse on civil liberties than Singapore is.

Who would have ever - EVER - thought the U.S. would do worse than SINGAPORE?

Let this sink in for a moment.

We get it, you hate Singapore.

[It’s so Joever]

Nice personal attack.
After telling me my tone is disgusting, Sprouts really is showing me how to be a “better” person.

[It’s so Joever]

Bumping this thread because it is obvious these fears are coming to fruition. Our civil rights and liberties are quickly eroding in both the U.S. and around the world.  Our freedom to travel has ceased and our activities are being monitored. People are being arrested and charged for attending drive thru churches, gathering in private homes, walking in parks, etc. Governments are encouraging citizens to "snitch" on neighbors and friends and many are doing so. People are largely obeying unconstitutional orders and are not resisting, but for how much longer?  You can see freedom protests are gaining momentum across the U.S. as more and more people wake up to the tyranny. There is little doubt in my mind at this point that the Democrats only claim to care about democracy and freedom to get votes.

I stand with Rick Savage.

Well if there is any justice in the World, he won’t be able to stand when he develops ARDS.

[It’s so Joever]

We were also told that the purpose of all these lockdowns was to "flatten the curve".  That was accomplished long ago.  Now, the goalposts have been moved.

Fuzzy, what the hell do you think you're talking about? The curve never flattened. Every day now we're seeing record-breaking numbers of cases and deaths. No one has moved any goalposts; it's just that the reflexively anti-intellectual elements of American society have refused to take the proper precautions and now we are all paying the price for their behavior. If we shut down the schools when we were seeing a few dozen cases per day, why do you think we should reopen everything now that we're seeing a few thousand per day?

Low death rates.

Minimal probablity of children transmitting COVID-19 to teachers, according to scientists.

The fact that everyone is OK with what protesters have been doing in the streets.

The proper cost to public officials that have said nothing (or even condoned) the protesting in the streets should be a total loss of credibility on the COVID-19 issue.  They don't deserve credibility; not with such a nakedly political double standard.  Honestly, how dare they lecture law-abiding people on this when they said nothing about the coronavirus to the Mobs in the streets?

1. Yes death rates are lower, but they are jumping now and the deaths rates from April were so large because of Cuomo’s retirement home insanity and because we didn’t have as many treatment options.

2. False narrative. YOUNG children don’t spread or contract Covid as well. However, studies from South Korea have found that kids 10-19 actually spread it at equivalent/possibly even higher rates than adults.

3. Many people weren’t okay with the protests. I know I wasn’t.

4. Yes it was hypocritical, but that doesn’t change the virus itself.

[It’s so Joever]

The fact that everyone is OK with what protesters have been doing in the streets.

The proper cost to public officials that have said nothing (or even condoned) the protesting in the streets should be a total loss of credibility on the COVID-19 issue.  They don't deserve credibility; not with such a nakedly political double standard.  Honestly, how dare they lecture law-abiding people on this when they said nothing about the coronavirus to the Mobs in the streets?

Well, I'm not okay with it. And even if I was okay with protesters breaking quarantine to loot and virtue-signal, that wouldn't matter. What's done is done. Playing with whataboutisms is just about the lamest possible argument you could put forth right now. You are way too hung up on the culture war. The pandemic is not related to your personal political vendettas in the slightest.

So I should just shut up and accept the hypocrisy and injustice?  Is that what you're saying?

People who maintain America are lectured to.  People who have attempted to destroy our cities are given not just empathy, but praise.  "Peaceful Protesters" (who are not the bulk of people in the streets) that have been disregarding all pandemic protocols to virtue signal get to spread the virus with impunity and are praised as "courageous" by public officials.  And law abiding churchgoers are told they can't do what lawbreaking and quarantine-breaking protesters and rioters are praised for.

Why should I just sit here and take that?  Really, why?  Because it's for the greater good?

If Trump is reelected, I will note that, in no small part, our leaders chose to sing the virtue of criminals in the streets while lying about their actual behavior, while lambasting people who are pulling their weight (or being prevented from doing so due to pandemic ridiculousness) and obeying the law.  They chose to enforce quarantines on law-abiding citizens, but not on criminal rioters.

My contempt for the protester grows with every measure taken against law abiding citizens that they have been excused from.

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Funny, but I am pretty sure Fuzzy voted for Obama in 2012. Still, his lack of knowledge on Covid-19 and general epidemiology is astounding.
Also he seems unaware to process the idea that many of us liberals didn’t support the protests because of Covid.

[It’s so Joever]

Besides, regardless of the blatant hypocrisy, even if most people were hypocritical on the issue, does it really matter at this point?
We are seeing record cases each day, and hospitalizations in most states have risen. Some places are even running out of beds.
Can’t we just put aside a political culture war for a couple of months for the good of the country?
Let’s put everything aside for now and focus on the big threat to American lives, the American economy, and our geopolitical standing.
We can return back to an argument, but we sure as f**k can’t return hundreds of thousands of lives and possibly millions with permanent organ scarring.

[It’s so Joever]

Health departments: “Hey guys Delta is looking concerning. We aren’t going to make you do anything but could you guys please not be idiots for a few weeks?”

MB: “Literally North Korea.”

[It’s so Joever]

There are... quite a few poorly aged takes in this thread.

And on the other hand, some have aged like fine wine.

Green Line was right.

Yeah, rightfully mocked.

[It’s so Joever]

Health departments: “Hey guys Delta is looking concerning. We aren’t going to make you do anything but could you guys please not be idiots for a few weeks?”

MB: “Literally North Korea.”

I’m sorry but we don’t want to live in an authoritarian state like Australia has become .


 

The brutal Morrison regime.
Even worse than Maoist China.


I assume this is OSR POV?

[It’s so Joever]

Health departments: “Hey guys Delta is looking concerning. We aren’t going to make you do anything but could you guys please not be idiots for a few weeks?”

MB: “Literally North Korea.”

I’m sorry but we don’t want to live in an authoritarian state like Australia has become .


 

The brutal Morrison regime.
Even worse than Maoist China.


I assume this is OSR POV?

Being better than Mao isnt saying anything

This joke is like sensible fiscal policy with you. It went in one ear and right out the other.

[It’s so Joever]

OSR clearly has no respect forward and order. He probably secretly sided with ANTIFA anarchists last year. If OSR ran this country, we would look like Minneapolis days after the Floyd protests and DC on January 6th.

Unlike OSR, I law and order in our society, and will not hesitate to advocate for punishing the anarchists like the rioters in Minneapolis, the rule breakers in Australia, or the Trumpsters who marched on the Capitol. LAW AND ORDER!

[It’s so Joever]

This is OSRs America:







If Old School Communist and Greenline the Ghoulish had their ways, your families would see their houses burnt by anarchists, your grandparents would be in an unmarked grave in a sea of the dead, and your kids would be under constant risk of attack by armed mobs.

They want a Covid crisis on scale of those in India or Brazil. It will not be enough for their crusade against America until each and everyone gets infected, until society breaks down, and anarchy is the only thing left.

[It’s so Joever]

This business of Bandit selectively looking for some stupid s**t to outrage about while ignoring the hordes of stupid anti-vaxxers and overloaded hospitals needs to stop.

[It’s so Joever]

This business of Bandit selectively looking for some stupid s**t to outrage about while ignoring the hordes of stupid anti-vaxxers and overloaded hospitals needs to stop.

If I supported anti-vaxxers, why did I get vaccinated?

“Ignoring”.

[It’s so Joever]

I can’t help but laugh at all the crap I have been seeing on this seriously ridiculous bubble of 20-40 year old guys who feel super oppressed and want to victimize themselves as much as possible.

Many people cannot stand other things in life, and yet they do it because that is how life is. Same with masks. They don’t like it, well that’s honestly too bad. Unless it’s because of a sensory issue or some extremely severe breathing issue, then I have trouble giving a flip. As we speak, dozens of people have died of starvation and preventable disease. If we don’t care about that, why should we care that some angry Atlas user feels mildly uncomfortable? Let’s put this crap into perspective.

And just so Atlas knows I’m speaking from experience, our university has a mask mandate literally everywhere outside your room. Guess what? People do it and they do fine.
Heck, the majority of people outside are wearing them (even though the mandate obviously doesn’t apply there) Clearly not this horrible experience that I am hearing Atlas users moan about.
Now the exception I will give is when doing exercise/physically strenuous tasks. If your job requires a lot of that, I empathize a lot more, because that actually is uncomfortable (not the worst thing, but not fun.
Also mask type matters. If it’s just a surgical…well I can’t help but have trouble refraining from eye rolling. If you are complaining about that…bless you. If it’s a cloth, you’re just screwing yourself because those are more uncomfortable and less effective. If it’s a full N-95, yeah then you actually have experienced discomfort from masks.
Personally I wear a mask (a KN95, which almost is like a lighter N-95) literally everytime out of my dorm for convenience (I’m a forgetful person, I will not remember to put it on if I take it off) That can be anywhere from 30 minutes to 12 hours. Oh well. Still barely noticeable unless you are actively trying to notice it, and if that’s your biggest issue in life, that means you should be thankful.

As for when this will end, that’s the problem. That question is symbolic of everything wrong with our outlook. We don’t know when Covid will improve. I thought you people would be smart enough to understand this, but clearly that was too generous.
Unless you have a working crystal ball…we won’t know until is about to happen and that is the reality of life. I could give guesses, but if those are wrong I know they will be used against me anyways. Probably soon, but I can’t tell you all for sure. For all we know, the virus mutates and turns into a super deadly plague with high infectivity, a seven month incubation period, and a fifty percent death rate. That’s obviously extreme, but the point should be understood. You’re not going to get a precise answer because we are human. It’s astounding how we expect scientists to be gods and have all the answers, and yet won’t even listen to the advice they do have.

Anyways I don’t support mask mandates simply because they aren’t enforceable at this point, but I do see it as a moral issue. I would consider not wearing a mask to be a violation of ethics and morally akin to watching a murder in front of you and doing nothing about it. You don’t have to agree with my values, but that is how I see most of Atlas. The types of people who would rather watch a little girl get beat to death rather than inconvenience themselves by taking the time to call the police at the very least.

[It’s so Joever]

We don’t know when Covid will improve.

When will it improve? It is now.

I mean yeah, compared to March 2020 it is improved.
Depends on your reference.
I should have worded that better, the implication is when Covid will “end” (subjective term)

[It’s so Joever]

Also, I deeply resent the change in thread title. "Low-IQ MAGA supporters" - how old are you, 12?

Hey that wasn’t me. I would say a lot worse.