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Libertas Vel Mors
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« on: April 28, 2024, 04:27:52 PM »

You can add the whole MAGA wing of the GOP on the pro-Putin side and Mike Johnson on the pro-Zelenskyy side.

Is Donald Trump really "pro-Putin" or he is only "pro-Putin" in the same magnitude Richard Nixon is "pro-Mao Tse-Tung"?
What?! Of course he’s “pro-Putin” did you memory hole his administration and how much he openly simped for Vlad? The only issue Trump personally bucked Putin on was Syria because he got all emotional about Assad “killing babies”

Why did you put Assad "killing babies" in quotes? Assad did kill babies. He chemically gassed whole towns.

Also, this is just nonsense more broadly. Trump also, for example, continued US aid to Ukraine (now conveniently memory-holed).
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Libertas Vel Mors
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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2024, 05:05:33 PM »

You can add the whole MAGA wing of the GOP on the pro-Putin side and Mike Johnson on the pro-Zelenskyy side.

Is Donald Trump really "pro-Putin" or he is only "pro-Putin" in the same magnitude Richard Nixon is "pro-Mao Tse-Tung"?
What?! Of course he’s “pro-Putin” did you memory hole his administration and how much he openly simped for Vlad? The only issue Trump personally bucked Putin on was Syria because he got all emotional about Assad “killing babies”

Why did you put Assad "killing babies" in quotes? Assad did kill babies. He chemically gassed whole towns.

Also, this is just nonsense more broadly. Trump also, for example, continued US aid to Ukraine (now conveniently memory-holed).
Because that was Trump’s literal quote. Also again reread my quote I said “personal bucked” because the aid to Ukraine was forced on him by Congress

1. Understood and retracted.

2. Yeah, but he still could have vetoed it or ordered US advisors out of Ukraine. He didn't do either. Instead, he signed off on aid and continued US support for Ukraine.

Oh, and for another example: he also personally bucked Putin by allowing Erdogan to invade Syria, given that the Syrian government (a Russian ally) fought against it.
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Libertas Vel Mors
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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2024, 05:08:22 PM »

You can add the whole MAGA wing of the GOP on the pro-Putin side and Mike Johnson on the pro-Zelenskyy side.

Is Donald Trump really "pro-Putin" or he is only "pro-Putin" in the same magnitude Richard Nixon is "pro-Mao Tse-Tung"?
What?! Of course he’s “pro-Putin” did you memory hole his administration and how much he openly simped for Vlad? The only issue Trump personally bucked Putin on was Syria because he got all emotional about Assad “killing babies”

Why did you put Assad "killing babies" in quotes? Assad did kill babies. He chemically gassed whole towns.

Also, this is just nonsense more broadly. Trump also, for example, continued US aid to Ukraine (now conveniently memory-holed).
Because that was Trump’s literal quote. Also again reread my quote I said “personal bucked” because the aid to Ukraine was forced on him by Congress

1. Understood and retracted.

2. Yeah, but he still could have vetoed it or ordered US advisors out of Ukraine. He didn't do either. Instead, he signed off on aid and continued US support for Ukraine.
Congress had a veto proof majority on aid so it would of been a useless platitude on Trump’s behalf towards Putin

He still could have withdrawn advisors, but he didn't. Or held up the distribution of aid.
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Libertas Vel Mors
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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2024, 05:22:41 PM »

You can add the whole MAGA wing of the GOP on the pro-Putin side and Mike Johnson on the pro-Zelenskyy side.

Is Donald Trump really "pro-Putin" or he is only "pro-Putin" in the same magnitude Richard Nixon is "pro-Mao Tse-Tung"?
What?! Of course he’s “pro-Putin” did you memory hole his administration and how much he openly simped for Vlad? The only issue Trump personally bucked Putin on was Syria because he got all emotional about Assad “killing babies”

Why did you put Assad "killing babies" in quotes? Assad did kill babies. He chemically gassed whole towns.

Also, this is just nonsense more broadly. Trump also, for example, continued US aid to Ukraine (now conveniently memory-holed).
Because that was Trump’s literal quote. Also again reread my quote I said “personal bucked” because the aid to Ukraine was forced on him by Congress

1. Understood and retracted.

2. Yeah, but he still could have vetoed it or ordered US advisors out of Ukraine. He didn't do either. Instead, he signed off on aid and continued US support for Ukraine.
Congress had a veto proof majority on aid so it would of been a useless platitude on Trump’s behalf towards Putin

He still could have withdrawn advisors, but he didn't. Or held up the distribution of aid.
Yeah he just tried to extort Ukraine over aid instead what an ally

Very true. Which is notably not what Putin wanted -- Putin wanted no aid to Ukraine at all! Which suggests that although Trump had the power to hinder/block Ukraine did (as he briefly did for non-Putin related political reasons) he kept it going anyway because he supported it -- another example of him personally breaking with Putin.
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