A Question For Pro-Palestine Posters

[Libertas Vel Mors]

A democratic multi-ethnic state where Arabs and Jews reside and have the same equal rights under a new constitution. The Palestine of past will be replicated, as it was for many years, a nation which  had a peaceful co-existence among all of the ethnicities. Jerusalem would be a United Nations moderated city, as the Holy Land for the Abrahamic religions should not beholden to a sovereign nation. Settlements would be stop and the land will be rightfully returned to the indignious, as citizens with voices, instead of foreign people coming in free because of their ethnicity is approved by the state. Military service will not be required by the law, as true peace will be achieved in the Middle East if we move past from the atrocities of the IDF.

Roger Waters had a wonderful video about the subject at hand. Watch the link below.

"The Palestine of past will be replicated, as it was for many years, a nation which  had a peaceful co-existence among all of the ethnicities."

When did this Palestine with "peaceful co-existence" among all ethnicities exist? Is it in the room with us now?

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Pretty sure the land of Palestine under the jurisdiction of the Mutasharrifate of Quds and under Ottoman suzerainty via the various sanjaks was much better for intercommunal relations than what's happening today or under the British Mandate. But maybe that's just me.

And no, Fuzzy, for the billionth time, literally no one is ignoring the role the former Grand Mufti had played.

Definitely not true after controlling for homogeneity and population size. Lots of evidence on the subject, but I think the anecdote that when Napoleon entered the Holy Land in 1799 he was greeted by throngs of cheering Christians celebrating their liberation from Ottoman persecution is indicative. For a bunch of examples from the 1830s alone:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_Hebron_massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_looting_of_Safed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Druze_attack_on_Safed

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Pretty sure the land of Palestine under the jurisdiction of the Mutasharrifate of Quds and under Ottoman suzerainty via the various sanjaks was much better for intercommunal relations than what's happening today or under the British Mandate. But maybe that's just me.

And no, Fuzzy, for the billionth time, literally no one is ignoring the role the former Grand Mufti had played.

Definitely not true after controlling for homogeneity and population size. Lots of evidence on the subject, but I think the anecdote that when Napoleon entered the Holy Land in 1799 he was greeted by throngs of cheering Christians celebrating their liberation from Ottoman persecution is indicative. For a bunch of examples from the 1830s alone:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_Hebron_massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_looting_of_Safed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Druze_attack_on_Safed

Really not sure why Atlas allows Ottoman apologia btw, if it won't allow apologia for other regimes? Why does Atlas have an avatar for the regime that committed the Armenian genocide, for example, but not for the Soviet Union (the SU avatar was removed after the invasion of Ukraine, in which less people have died than the Armenian genocide)?

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Well, why do we have avatars for the Eastern Romans, the Romans, or Napoleonic France then? They committed atrocities against the Gauls, Bulgars, and, of course, Jews as well. So of you're consistent, would you not advocate for removing these avatars as well?

And as for me, the difference is, I haven't ever endorsed the slaughtering of Armenians, Greeks, and Assyrians under the C.U.P. dictatorship.

The Romans existed thousands of years ago rather than a hundred. And Napoleonic France certainly never committed any major atrocities against Jews, if that's what you mean to imply.

Many of the posters with Soviet avatars never called for or supported the Russian invasion of Ukraine: in fact, several of them actively condemned it. And yet the avatar was removed anyway. Seems contradictory that one avatar would be removed for the crimes of a successor government, but another avatar wouldn't be removed for crimes it itself committed?

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Why should a North Carolina avatar be allowed when Haley/Ryan has never explicitly apologized for the 1898 Wilmington Massacre?

Because North Carolina is a place that actually exists, like Turkey. The proper analogy would be the CSA, which similarily does not have an avatar.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Why should a North Carolina avatar be allowed when Haley/Ryan has never explicitly apologized for the 1898 Wilmington Massacre?

Because North Carolina is a place that actually exists, like Turkey. The proper analogy would be the CSA, which similarily does not have an avatar.

Also, I never asked AFE for an apology for the Armenian genocide: that would be absurd. I merely said that the Ottoman Empire shouldn't be an avatar under a standard that excludes the Soviet Union for Russia's invasion of Ukraine.