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« on: September 10, 2007, 01:07:36 PM »


Brussels seems to be the dilema in that although capital of Flanders, it's overwhelmingly Francophone. Does it have a lot of French-speaking indigenous Flemish for some reason?


Yes and No. Many Francophone inhabitants of Brussels and their suburbs have Flemish roots, their (grand)parents spoke the Brussels' (or some other town's) dialect of Dutch, although they usually never learnt 'standard' Dutch. Originally, Brussels is a Dutch-speaking city.

The (Francophone) Belgian elite saw the Dutch language as a 'peasant language' and tried after Belgian independence to 'Francophonify' the Dutch-speaking part of the population, essentially by giving them an inferiority complex. For example, Dutch-speaking parents speaking only French with their children and sending them to Francophone schools to give them a better future.

The Francophones were especially successful in the city of Brussels, where there was also an influx of Walloon civil servants and later of EU civil servants and North African immigrants. Usually, Francophone Flemish Belgians consider themselves Francophone, not Flemish.

Only since the beginning of the 20th century a counter-movement from Flemish side started, which finally culminated in the division of the country into all kinds of communities and regions, all with their own governments and parliaments. Also, more people from Brussels are bilingual French/Dutch now than in the last decades.

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Nope. And why should they? Apart from Limburg province, where the border was different, Flanders and The Netherlands are separated since the 16th century, only to be re-united in the United Kingdom of the Netherlands (1815-1830).

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Oh yes, they have 6 million inhabitants, when excluding Brussels. More than for example Norway, Finland, Ireland or Denmark. Since the Flemish economy is performing well, viability shouldn't be a problem.
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Good question. Although originally the Belgian monarchy was more popular in Catholic Flanders than Socialist Wallonia, now the situation is reversed. Although King Albert is quite popular, as was his late brother King Boudewijn, Albert's children are not. They speak Dutch with a strong French accent and many doubt if Crown Prince Filip has the intellectual capabilities for becoming King. Some scandals concerning Filip's younger brother Laurent didn't help. So, a Flanders Republic isn't unthinkable.
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2007, 01:16:23 PM »


They can't constitutionally until 2011. There's also something about a bilingual constituency of Brussels and its suburbs that have to be split up, but the Walloons have not agreed to it unless they get something in return.
There are no constitutional restrictions. There is however a ruling of the Constitutional Court concerning Brussel-Halle-Vilvoorde. The Wikipedia-article is quite informative: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussel-Halle-Vilvoorde
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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2010, 02:52:33 AM »


Or at least a separation where the federal government has few responsibilities?

A situation they already have in Belgium right now, you mean?
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2010, 02:59:49 AM »


I believe there are problems with Brussels-Halle-Vilvoorde that prevent that.

Yeah, the Belgian Constitutional Court ruled that elections are unconstitutional until the Brussel-Halle-Vilvoorde problem is solved.
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2010, 06:16:01 AM »


It's psychologically important to have Brussels entirely surrounded by Flemish territory. Every year, Flemish Nationalists cycle round the city to prove this point (seriously).

And while the Flemish Nationalists are cycling, Francophone Nationalists throw thumbtacks on the road.
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2010, 09:03:48 AM »

A majority of the Belgian Parliament wants early elections. Prime Minister Leterme gave a similar advice to the King.

Probable date: somewhere in June, maybe as early as June 13.
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2010, 02:30:24 PM »

Belgium. Probably the reason why Belgian René Magritte became a surrealist painter.

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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2010, 04:39:32 PM »

He wasn't the only Surrealist to come from Belgium, either.

True. One of them is (or rather was) Prime Minister at the moment.
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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2010, 06:32:50 AM »

French broadcaster TF1 mixed up Vlaanderen and Wallonie:



And the map shown by Dutch broadcaster NOS was not entirely correct as well:

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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2010, 03:53:15 PM »
« Edited: May 04, 2010, 05:21:25 PM by freek »

Belgium poll by Vers l'Avenir

Vlaanderen:

N-VA 22.9%
CD&V 18.9%
Open Vld 14.8%
SP.a 14.2%
Vlaams Belang 12.5%
Lijst Dedecker 3.9%
Groen! not mentioned in the poll, but are probably at 6-7%.

Wallonie:

PS 32.5%
MR 21.1%
cdH 18.2%
Ecolo 17.6%
Front National 2.9%

Brussel-Halle-Vilvoorde

MR 22.9%
PS 11.5%
N-VA 10.2%
Ecolo 8.6%
CD&V 7.7%
cdH 7.3%
Other parties not mentioned
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2010, 05:39:02 PM »


Flemish conservative separatists, formed in 2001. Apart from their separatism and Flemish nationalism it is an ordinary centre right party.

In 2001, the former Volksunie (People's Union), which used to be the major Flemish Nationalist party, but was overshadowed by Vlaams Blok/Belang, split in a progressive party  (Spirit, the remains of that party merged into Groen! in 2009) and a conservative party, N-VA.

N-VA party leader Bart De Wever is at the moment the most popular politician in Vlaanderen. Apart from VB en LDD, the party seems to attract votes from CD&V.
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2010, 02:07:31 AM »

And now there is a date for the Belgian (Federal) Chamber and Senate elections: the 13th of June it is.
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