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« on: July 14, 2009, 06:04:12 PM »
Laval was quite a fascinating person. He didn't deserve to die, but he doesn't deserve to stay on here.
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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2009, 08:07:33 PM »
Quote from: Independência ou Morte! on July 14, 2009, 07:45:03 PM
Quote from: Randy Jones's Salad Bar on July 14, 2009, 06:04:12 PM
Laval was quite a fascinating person. He didn't deserve to die, but he doesn't deserve to stay on here.

I'll count that as a vote.

Excellent.
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2009, 01:04:46 PM »
Quote from: Antonio V on July 15, 2009, 05:16:15 AM
Quote from: Randy Jones's Salad Bar on July 14, 2009, 06:04:12 PM
Laval was quite a fascinating person. He didn't deserve to die, but he doesn't deserve to stay on here.

Nobody ever deserved to die. But I don't understand what you could find "fascinating" in this disgusting fawning b*stard, responsible of the death of thousands of people....

Ce "bâtard" fut trois fois premier ministre, quoique le peuple le déteste.

Did I get that right?
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2009, 03:48:52 PM »
« Edited: July 15, 2009, 03:53:59 PM by Randy Jones's Salad Bar »
Quote from: big bad fab on July 15, 2009, 03:35:01 PM
Sorry Hash, but I'll do Darlan first.

He was a real collaborationist: in 1941, he pleased Germans more than Laval before Dec 1940.
He negotiated and signed the agreements that ruled the entire occupation and collaboration regimes.

But he converted before his death.

Flandin.

Quote from: Antonio V on July 15, 2009, 02:32:31 PM
Flandin

Quote from: Randy Jones's Salad Bar on July 15, 2009, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: Antonio V on July 15, 2009, 05:16:15 AM
Quote from: Randy Jones's Salad Bar on July 14, 2009, 06:04:12 PM
Laval was quite a fascinating person. He didn't deserve to die, but he doesn't deserve to stay on here.

Nobody ever deserved to die. But I don't understand what you could find "fascinating" in this disgusting fawning b*stard, responsible of the death of thousands of people....

Ce "bâtard" fut trois fois premier ministre, quoique le peuple le déteste.

Did I get that right?

And so what ? En quoi est-ce fascinant ?

Fascinant n'est pas le bon mot. Il ne t'intéresse pas ?
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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2009, 05:47:29 PM »
Quote from: Antonio V on July 15, 2009, 05:39:41 PM
Quote from: Randy Jones's Salad Bar on July 15, 2009, 03:48:52 PM
Quote from: Antonio V on July 15, 2009, 02:32:31 PM
Flandin

Quote from: Randy Jones's Salad Bar on July 15, 2009, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: Antonio V on July 15, 2009, 05:16:15 AM
Quote from: Randy Jones's Salad Bar on July 14, 2009, 06:04:12 PM
Laval was quite a fascinating person. He didn't deserve to die, but he doesn't deserve to stay on here.

Nobody ever deserved to die. But I don't understand what you could find "fascinating" in this disgusting fawning b*stard, responsible of the death of thousands of people....

Ce "bâtard" fut trois fois premier ministre, quoique le peuple le déteste.

Did I get that right?

And so what ? En quoi est-ce fascinant ?

Fascinant n'est pas le bon mot. Il ne t'intéresse pas ?

His political evolution could be interesting, on the intellectual point ( how so many pseudo-socialists between the two wars revealed to be disgusting reactionnary fascists ). However, I feel more interested by people I don't despise so much...

Is that so? I find that the people I like tend to be quite boring.
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2009, 06:14:53 PM »
Quote from: Antonio V on July 15, 2009, 05:52:05 PM
Quote from: Randy Jones's Salad Bar on July 15, 2009, 05:47:29 PM
Quote from: Antonio V on July 15, 2009, 05:39:41 PM
Quote from: Randy Jones's Salad Bar on July 15, 2009, 03:48:52 PM
Quote from: Antonio V on July 15, 2009, 02:32:31 PM
Flandin

Quote from: Randy Jones's Salad Bar on July 15, 2009, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: Antonio V on July 15, 2009, 05:16:15 AM
Quote from: Randy Jones's Salad Bar on July 14, 2009, 06:04:12 PM
Laval was quite a fascinating person. He didn't deserve to die, but he doesn't deserve to stay on here.

Nobody ever deserved to die. But I don't understand what you could find "fascinating" in this disgusting fawning b*stard, responsible of the death of thousands of people....

Ce "bâtard" fut trois fois premier ministre, quoique le peuple le déteste.

Did I get that right?

And so what ? En quoi est-ce fascinant ?

Fascinant n'est pas le bon mot. Il ne t'intéresse pas ?

His political evolution could be interesting, on the intellectual point ( how so many pseudo-socialists between the two wars revealed to be disgusting reactionnary fascists ). However, I feel more interested by people I don't despise so much...

Is that so? I find that the people I like tend to be quite boring.

That's sad for you... Cheesy

I can't imagine the people we like are that different, either.
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2009, 06:54:02 PM »
Quote from: Antonio V on July 15, 2009, 06:53:21 PM
Quote from: Randy Jones's Salad Bar on July 15, 2009, 06:14:53 PM
Quote from: Antonio V on July 15, 2009, 05:52:05 PM
Quote from: Randy Jones's Salad Bar on July 15, 2009, 05:47:29 PM
Quote from: Antonio V on July 15, 2009, 05:39:41 PM
Quote from: Randy Jones's Salad Bar on July 15, 2009, 03:48:52 PM
Quote from: Antonio V on July 15, 2009, 02:32:31 PM
Flandin

Quote from: Randy Jones's Salad Bar on July 15, 2009, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: Antonio V on July 15, 2009, 05:16:15 AM
Quote from: Randy Jones's Salad Bar on July 14, 2009, 06:04:12 PM
Laval was quite a fascinating person. He didn't deserve to die, but he doesn't deserve to stay on here.

Nobody ever deserved to die. But I don't understand what you could find "fascinating" in this disgusting fawning b*stard, responsible of the death of thousands of people....

Ce "bâtard" fut trois fois premier ministre, quoique le peuple le déteste.

Did I get that right?

And so what ? En quoi est-ce fascinant ?

Fascinant n'est pas le bon mot. Il ne t'intéresse pas ?

His political evolution could be interesting, on the intellectual point ( how so many pseudo-socialists between the two wars revealed to be disgusting reactionnary fascists ). However, I feel more interested by people I don't despise so much...

Is that so? I find that the people I like tend to be quite boring.

That's sad for you... Cheesy

I can't imagine the people we like are that different, either.

I also find interesting people I don't like, but Laval not at all...

He was a great politician. You're not interested by those? If so, I guess there's nothing I can do.
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2009, 07:03:36 PM »
Quote from: Antonio V on July 15, 2009, 07:00:20 PM
He was a swindling, that's the only reason why he was "a great politician". And I find swindlings like him ( because there are swindlings that did also good things ) extremely boring.

Really? I think swindlers are quite interesting. It takes a good deal of skill to do things like what he did.
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2009, 09:58:33 PM »
Quote from: JWHart on July 15, 2009, 09:18:17 PM
Quote from: Randy Jones's Salad Bar on July 15, 2009, 03:48:52 PM
Quote from: big bad fab on July 15, 2009, 03:35:01 PM
Sorry Hash, but I'll do Darlan first.

He was a real collaborationist: in 1941, he pleased Germans more than Laval before Dec 1940.
He negotiated and signed the agreements that ruled the entire occupation and collaboration regimes.

But he converted before his death.

Flandin.

He "converted" at gunpoint, pretty much.

Darlan

Eh, that's debatable.
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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2009, 04:34:19 PM »
Darlan
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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2009, 01:13:09 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2009, 01:56:41 AM »
Daladier, the great traitor of the Left.
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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2009, 05:12:01 PM »
Daladier
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« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2009, 02:22:08 PM »
Daladier
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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2009, 12:47:25 PM »
Quote from: Independência ou Morte! on July 20, 2009, 09:46:14 PM
Quote from: Kalwejt on July 20, 2009, 08:35:57 PM
Quote from: Independência ou Morte! on July 20, 2009, 07:58:10 PM
Quote from: Kalwejt on July 20, 2009, 07:14:26 PM
Bidault too

Former resistance leader turner "Algerie Francaise" fanatic, sad thing



Of course, being a resistant is good and all that, but I hate the idea that being in the resistance makes one the 8th wonder of the world and an automatic candidate for Sainthood.

I never claimed such thing

Never said you did, either. I'm just noting something that annoys me in general.

Well, that article I sent you a while ago postulated that under the Fifth Republic, service in the Resistance susbtituted for parliamentary experience.
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E: -6.77, S: 0.61

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« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2009, 01:12:21 PM »
Quote from: big bad fab on July 21, 2009, 01:01:08 PM
Quote from: Xahar on July 21, 2009, 12:47:25 PM
Quote from: Independência ou Morte! on July 20, 2009, 09:46:14 PM
Quote from: Kalwejt on July 20, 2009, 08:35:57 PM
Quote from: Independência ou Morte! on July 20, 2009, 07:58:10 PM
Quote from: Kalwejt on July 20, 2009, 07:14:26 PM
Bidault too

Former resistance leader turner "Algerie Francaise" fanatic, sad thing



Of course, being a resistant is good and all that, but I hate the idea that being in the resistance makes one the 8th wonder of the world and an automatic candidate for Sainthood.

I never claimed such thing

Never said you did, either. I'm just noting something that annoys me in general.

Well, that article I sent you a while ago postulated that under the Fifth Republic, service in the Resistance susbtituted for parliamentary experience.

Not exactly.
After the war and throughout the begininng years of the Fifth Republic, there was a sort of Gaullist-Communist agreement on history of WW2: Vichy hasn't existed, Communists were all resistants and from the beginning, real resistants were FFL and Communists.
So, there was no great room for old resistants from the "interior"...

And, apart from UDSR, many 4th Republic (and 5th Republic) parties weren't led mainly by resistants: SFIO, Independents and mainstream right, Radicals, etc... MRP was "better" in that sense.

In the cabinet, I mean. Certainly, de Gaulle's inner circle always remained his companions in London.
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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2009, 03:32:52 PM »
Daladier

I may continue in this vein for quite some time...
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« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2009, 07:07:42 PM »
Quote from: Antonio V on July 21, 2009, 05:29:33 PM
I will not oust Daladier this time, because he helped building the Popular Front. But he definitely deserves to go.

François-Marsal

He built it after running two cartels into the ground.
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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2009, 03:42:15 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2009, 06:10:18 PM »
Daladier
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« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2009, 04:07:01 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2009, 03:32:28 PM »
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« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2009, 04:48:32 PM »
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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2009, 12:33:04 PM »
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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2009, 12:48:24 AM »
I don't have to vote Daladier anymore? Doumergue.
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