Motion to Expel Senators Dwtl and PiT

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Isn't there also a motion to expel PiT?

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Is this over the spoiling of their ballots? 

Yes, and collusion to steal an election.

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I don't think deliberately spoiling a ballot is a crime, or even unethical. The guys found a loophole and went with it.

But was the exploitation of said loophole ethical?

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I don't think deliberately spoiling a ballot is a crime, or even unethical. The guys found a loophole and went with it.

But was the exploitation of said loophole ethical?

I think so. Heck, waiting to vote until the last moment is kind of gaming the system too.

But it's also Atlasian tradition, and is fully within the spirit of the law. Intentional ballot-spoling as a means of exploiting the non-monotonocity of the system is not.

Or that's the way I see it, at least.

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For: Jas, Sensei
Against: DWDL, PiT
Undecided: Andrew, HW
Unknown: The rest

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It is up to we Senators to decide what morals and standards we hold each other to, just as much as it is up to the people. DWTL will be re-elected to the Senate, this is not in doubt. The RPP's cadre of silent voters will see to that. We can though send a powerful message - that we hold our elections and electoral process in some esteem and that as sworn defenders of the Constitution, we are guardians of that process as much, if not moreso, than anyone else.

This motion makes a statement that the behaviour in question was unacceptable for any member in good standing of this chamber. I will be asking my fellow Senators to make that same statement by voting in favour of the motion.

The only powerful motion you are trying to send is that a liberal senate can expel conservative senators they do not like.  BTW, the motion is for BOTH senators not one or the other

It's for one or the other, they're just both on this thread.

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DWTL will be re-elected to the Senate, this is not in doubt. The RPP's cadre of silent voters will see to that.

     If you feel that way, how about an up-or-down public referendum on whether DWTL & I should run for re-election as Senators?

Due to the overwhemingly left-tilt of Atlasia, that would be stupid we would obviously lose.  That is why PR is so great, no matter how much Jas kicks and screams conservatives still have a voice

Then why did you hate it?

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Then why did you hate it?

I hate it applied to regional seats as that is direct representation.  I like it for the former district seats

You hated it before.

And the distinction seems rather odd. Why would a region have special representation as opposed to, say, a group of people who edit the Wiki?

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Then why did you hate it?

I hate it applied to regional seats as that is direct representation.  I like it for the former district seats

You hated it before.

And the distinction seems rather odd. Why would a region have special representation as opposed to, say, a group of people who edit the Wiki?

People to conjure in regions in which they feel politically fit.  JCPers in the Pacific, conservatives in the Dirty South, moderates in the Northeast, populists in the Mideast, and who knows what in the Midwest

But if we havce national seats, people can be represented directly and wouldn't have to take the trouble of moving.

And where do liberals fit in?

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And where do liberals fit in?

There pretty much scattered everywhere in small doses

Exactly. That's where your system breaks down. There's no SDP region.

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And where do liberals fit in?

There pretty much scattered everywhere in small doses

Exactly. That's where your system breaks down. There's no SDP region.

Well then make one.  You're the one staying in California   The Midwest seems ripe for the picking if you ask me

Ah, the Midwest has issues.

Like I said, why go to the trouble of moving? National elections have worked fine, haven't they?

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Like I said, why go to the trouble of moving? National elections have worked fine, haven't they?

For me, not for you

Well, we got Al elected.

The point is that national elections represent the people of Atlasia better than regional elections.

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And where do liberals fit in?

There pretty much scattered everywhere in small doses

Exactly. That's where your system breaks down. There's no SDP region.

So make one.

Why?