Israel general discussion

[danny]

This has probably been asked a million times, but what's the difference between Shas and UTJ?

UTJ is for Ashkenazi Haredi, and Shas for Sephardi Haredi.
At its height Shas appealed to a lot of non Haredi Sephardi in a way that UTJ has never expanded beyond their base, although that based on recent polling I doubt much of that is left.

[danny]

A poll about whether there should be government that regulates the economy or free market economy without government regulation.

overall 56% support government regulation to 36% free market (8% no opinion), by supporters of each party:
Likud: 59-34-7
Zionist Union: 60-37-3
Yesh Atid: 43-43-13
Kulanu: 43-52-4
Jewish Home: 68-24-8
Haredi parties: 48-41-10
Yisrael Beitenu: 45-50-5
Meretz: 65-27-8

For some they don't list the Joint List, but they do mention that Arabs were 62 for government regulation. Women were more supportive of government regulation than men and there was no correlation with income.

[danny]

A poll about whether there should be government that regulates the economy or free market economy without government regulation.

overall 56% support government regulation to 36% free market (8% no opinion), by supporters of each party:
Likud: 59-34-7
Zionist Union: 60-37-3
Yesh Atid: 43-43-13
Kulanu: 43-52-4
Jewish Home: 68-24-8
Haredi parties: 48-41-10
Yisrael Beitenu: 45-50-5
Meretz: 65-27-8

For some they don't list the Joint List, but they do mention that Arabs were 62 for government regulation. Women were more supportive of government regulation than men and there was no correlation with income.

terrible poll and terrible question framing. Anyway, how shocking is it that Lapid voters have the least interest and knowledge...

Do you have a link to that poll? I didn't see a Hebrew version with the questioning etc.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSddUDbX4AANKbO.jpg

[danny]

A poll about whether there should be government that regulates the economy or free market economy without government regulation.

overall 56% support government regulation to 36% free market (8% no opinion), by supporters of each party:
Likud: 59-34-7
Zionist Union: 60-37-3
Yesh Atid: 43-43-13
Kulanu: 43-52-4
Jewish Home: 68-24-8
Haredi parties: 48-41-10
Yisrael Beitenu: 45-50-5
Meretz: 65-27-8

For some they don't list the Joint List, but they do mention that Arabs were 62 for government regulation. Women were more supportive of government regulation than men and there was no correlation with income.

What's the source for this? I really want to show someone the original article.

https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001217609

[danny]

Who do Ethiopian Jews vote for?

Kiryat Moshe in Rehovot is the only neighbourhood that I know of that has an Ethiopian majority and it voted 51% Likud 14% Kulanu 8% Shas.

[danny]

I think that the majority of their supporters will vote for Buskila despite their endorsement.

With Gilon definitely not and his supporters will mainly flock to Zandberg (they pushed for the endorsement). With Dabush, there weren’t all that many, some will move to Buskila but the majority will just stay home. Buskila hardly ran an inspiring campaign and instead of using it as a platform for the list primaries he managed to anger quite a lot of people. Can’t see anything but a landslide here

Many of the Gilon supporters feeling that Meretz not connecting with the public in the periphery,Buskila is much better option for them than Tamar(wich i like but she can't bring more votes to Mererz).
Endorsment is such overrated thing,i remind you that in the last Labour primary in the first round Peretz got 32% Margalit and Herzog got both also 32% together ,thay both endorsed Peretz and Gabbay still won.

I suspect you don't know how the reds (as they call themselves) work. They decided on that bottom to top, meaning they had 2 meetings with 500 supporters to decide who they will turn to. Gilon's group is very cohesive and it's not like he dictates the play there (prof. Gutwein does).

As to Buskila he might have been alternative, but he's clueless on economics and wouldn't give them the concessions they wanted (Tammy pretty much outsourced the economic part of the platform to them).

Bar for Peretz no one in Labour had any effective control on his voters so the analogy is unfit.

And as I said Buskila hardly ran an impressive campaign and Meretz members appreciate political experience and commitment more than to accept an absolute no one who came from no where with no clear positions.

Your distate from every sephard candidate is racist.

Your'e quick to blame people of racism, especially when his post criticised not just Buskila but Gilon and Zandberg too.

[danny]

Sound familiar?

The idea that supporters of a political party or candidate would continue their support despite a scandal is a hardly a new phenomenon first seen with Trump, and the Bibi and and Trump demographics are quite different and Bibi didn't attract some significant group that never voted for him before. Also, Trump lost in all 20 of the biggest cities, while Likud was the biggest in 13 of them.

[danny]

As expected, Zandberg wins.

[danny]

Zandberg: 12,112 votes 71.12%
Buskila: 4,851 votes 28.48%

[danny]

I have a question, if Israel used FPTP do you think Bibi would still be PM or would he be defeated . Also how do you think the next election with FPTP would go

On current polls it's hard to see Bibi losing under any system, but in general it would depends on which parties would run and which parties would merge.

[danny]

Replacing Herzog in the Knesset will be Robert Tiviaev who has previously been part of Israel Beitenu Kadima and The Movement, before running in the Labour primaries before the last elections. However, his party switches haven't ended as he left the Labour party a few months ago and was planning on rejoining Beitenu before he realised that he will get in under the ZU list. It seems Tiviaev plans to become a ZU MK anyway but does say that he wouldn't vote for the ZU if the elections were today.

[danny]

Question - would the Joint List parties be up for being part of a Labour-led coalition government?

No

[danny]

Can you highlight the current government parties please?

35 [30] Likud
17 [11] Yesh Atid
12 [13] The Joint (Arab) List
11 [24] Zionist Union
10 [08] Bayit Yehudi
08 [06] Yahadut Hatorah/UTJ
07 [05] Meretz
06 [10] Kulanu
05 [05] Yisrael Beitenu
05 [01] Orly Levy
04 [07] Shas
00 [–-] Yachad, Yaalon, Zehut (as other) under threshold

[danny]

The municipal elections are happening in a month and a bit so I stated a thread in the elections board:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=302017.0

[danny]

Balad has Jewish members? I thought only Hadash did of the Joint List parties.

If your start looking for a person or a handful of people, then you will find a member of any large group in any party, that is just the nature of democracy and human nature. Just like you could find haredim voting for Meretz or someone secular voting UTJ, and an Arab for Jewish Home or Yachad and a Jew for Balad.

[danny]

Without the ultra-Orthodox parties propping up a government, would Israel be more willing to make Palestine related concessions.

No, the Haredi have different priorities and are not particularly right wing on such matters. Opposition to concessions would come from the Jewish Home or from within the Likud.

[danny]

How difficult is it not to display this stupid nonsense and damage Israel's reputation in the process, seriously. People need to use their brains.

The way all the other countries that had this display were harmed? any danger to reputation would be for being a country where free expression is censored because of religious fanatics. This display wasn't even trying to mock Christianity, but in any case I think you should be able to criticise and mock religion just like any other ideology.