November Southeast Ballot Initiatives

[Willy Woz]

Am I qualified?

[Willy Woz]

Arkansas voters only:

Arkansas Abortion Initiative

1. Pursuant to the Community Choice Initiative (97), the state of Arkansas hereby bans the practice of abortion in all cases, except to save the life of the mother.

2. Any person who performs abortion an abortion in the state of Arkansas will be found guilty of First Degree Murder.

3. Any woman who abtains an abortion, except to save her life, will recieve a penalty of imprisonment ranging from 5-15 years.

[Willy Woz]

Don't these things only go for whole regions, rather than states?

No. Haven't you ever heard of the "Community Choice Initiative", as well as the "Louisiana Abortion Initiative" and the "South Carolina Abortion Initiative".

[Willy Woz]

No, Willy Woz is partially correct. The Community Choice Initiative allows "municipalities" to make laws restricting abortions:

Community Choice Initiative

Section One

Municipalities in the Southeast shall be permitted to enact laws blocking any facility that preforms abortions from its jurisdiction.

Section Two

This initiative shall not be construed to include hospitals, which may perform life saving abortions, in the aforementioned definition of "facility".

However, detesting the lack of clarity on what defines "municipality, I proposed and got passed the

Clarification of "Municipality" Initiative

 For the purposes of Southeast initiatives and regulations, the term "municipality" shall be defined as "locality such as a city, county, town or other geographical and governmental unit within a state." "Municipal" shall be defined as referring to a municipality. "Municipal" and "municipality" shall not be synonymous with the word "state" unless a state and municipality are decreed one and the same by an act of regional law.

Perhaps the other two laws are grandfathered in before the passage of the Clarification Act, but Arkansas is by definition NOT a municipality. You can't outlaw abortion in Arkansas, but perhaps you can in a place called hope.

So, what? Does that mean abortions are still legal in Louisiana and South Carolina?

[Willy Woz]

Rewritten:

Arkansas Counties voters only:

Arkansas Counties Abortion Initiative

1. Pursuant to the Community Choice Initiative (97), the following Arkansas counties hereby ban the practice of abortion in all cases, except to save the life of the mother:
Arkansas County
Ashley County
Baxter County
Benton County
Boone County
Bradley County
Calhoun County
Carroll County
Chicot County
Clark County
Clay County
Cleburne County
Cleveland County
Columbia County
Conway County
Craighead County
Crawford County
Crittenden County
Cross County
Dallas County
Desha County
Drew County
Faulkner County
Franklin County
Fulton County
Garland County
Grant County
Greene County
Hempstead County
Hot Spring County
Howard County
Independence County
Izard County
Jackson County
Jefferson County
Johnson County
Lafayette County
Lawrence County
Lee County
Lincoln County
Little River County
Logan County
Lonoke County
Madison County
Marion County
Miller County
Mississippi County
Monroe County
Montgomery County
Nevada County
Newton County
Ouachita County
Perry County
Phillips County
Pike County
Poinsett County
Polk County
Pope County
Prairie County
Pulaski County
Randolph County
Saline County
Scott County
Searcy County
Sebastian County
Sevier County
Sharp County
St. Francis County
Stone County
Union County
Van Buren County
Washington County
White County
Woodruff County
Yell County


2. Any person who performs abortion an abortion in these counties will be found guilty of First Degree Murder.

3. Any woman who abtains an abortion, except to save her life, will recieve a penalty of imprisonment ranging from 5-15 years.

[Willy Woz]

Rewritten:

Arkansas Counties voters only:

Arkansas Counties Abortion Initiative

1. Pursuant to the Community Choice Initiative (97), the following Arkansas counties hereby ban the practice of abortion in all cases, except to save the life of the mother:
Arkansas County
Ashley County
Baxter County
Benton County
Boone County
Bradley County
Calhoun County
Carroll County
Chicot County
Clark County
Clay County
Cleburne County
Cleveland County
Columbia County
Conway County
Craighead County
Crawford County
Crittenden County
Cross County
Dallas County
Desha County
Drew County
Faulkner County
Franklin County
Fulton County
Garland County
Grant County
Greene County
Hempstead County
Hot Spring County
Howard County
Independence County
Izard County
Jackson County
Jefferson County
Johnson County
Lafayette County
Lawrence County
Lee County
Lincoln County
Little River County
Logan County
Lonoke County
Madison County
Marion County
Miller County
Mississippi County
Monroe County
Montgomery County
Nevada County
Newton County
Ouachita County
Perry County
Phillips County
Pike County
Poinsett County
Polk County
Pope County
Prairie County
Pulaski County
Randolph County
Saline County
Scott County
Searcy County
Sebastian County
Sevier County
Sharp County
St. Francis County
Stone County
Union County
Van Buren County
Washington County
White County
Woodruff County
Yell County


2. Any person who performs abortion an abortion in these counties will be found guilty of First Degree Murder.

3. Any woman who abtains an abortion, except to save her life, will recieve a penalty of imprisonment ranging from 5-15 years.

I suppose it hasn't been defined, but counties are also not municipalities. Only, well, municipalities are municipalities. Someone will eventually pass a law pointing this out, and this proposal, too, will be invalid.

Actually, they are defined as such. Why do you think dry counties are called dry municipalities?

[Willy Woz]

Rewritten:

Arkansas Counties voters only:
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I suppose it hasn't been defined, but counties are also not municipalities. Only, well, municipalities are municipalities. Someone will eventually pass a law pointing this out, and this proposal, too, will be invalid.

Actually, they are defined as such. Why do you think dry counties are called dry municipalities?

Errr... because they aren't? A municipality is a town or city or village. A county is not a municipality or vice versa, and dry counties are not called dry municipalities (though the towns within them might be).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipality

Someone will change that definition to be true.

Yes, but also your initiative states that nothing can be decided at a state level. It dosen't even mention the possibility of county governments. Therefore, my initiative is not invalid.

[Willy Woz]

Willy Woz, which county do you reside in? You don't have the authority to impose laws on municipalities that you don't live in.

Funny you said that, considering you were the one behind the Louisiana Abortion Initiative, and yet I am pretty sure you were never registered in LA...

[Willy Woz]

Now I am officially registered in Arkansas (temporarily at least)

[Willy Woz]

Now I am officially registered in Arkansas (temporarily at least)

Sorry to be hounding on you again, but I'm pretty sure there's some amount of time that must elapse before you can reregister in a new location.

I think you're mixing that up with party affiliation. You have to wait 60 days to change your party affiliation.

[Willy Woz]

Verily is right, you can change affiliation anytime, states/regions only after 60 days.

Though the "free" move obviously is allowed in this situation.

Ummm...it is?

[Willy Woz]

See the registration thread, page 83.

Specifically clause 7, Section 2, Article 5? gives you the right to change your registration once every sixty days. You didn't change it the first time, you simply established it. You changed it by moving to Arkansas and are stuck there for sixty days.

Still doesn't make the proposition valid of course.

Why not?

[Willy Woz]

Because state =! municipality

And you can't get around that fact by just listing all the state's municipalities.

I don't think that's true. Just because you pinkos don't want me proposing this abortion initiative dosen't mean it's illegal.

[Willy Woz]

How about this, Woz. If you get the required three signatures for that initiative, I will take a full examination of the legal precedents involved and make a decision then. And at that point, if you disagree with me, you can always take me to court.

Agreed.

[Willy Woz]

Incitement to Hatred Initiative

1. All form of incitement to hatred based on race, nationality, ethnicity, or sexual orientation is hereby prohibited in the Southeast Region.

2. Any Southeasterner who disobeys this law will be fined $10,000 or imprisoned for one week.

3. Incitement to hatred is also prohibited on the basis of religion, but only if that religion is non-Christian.

[Willy Woz]

Is this satire?

Yes, it is.

I basically couldn't think of any better idea.

[Willy Woz]

Does voting start now? If so, aye.