S.19.4-4: The Universal Self-Determination Act (Tabled)

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Fellow Delegates,

While I agree with the sentiments in this bill, I'm not sold on the idea (implicit in this bill) that it's the jurisdiction of the Southern Government to engage in foreign policy by proxy. However as a Patriot I believe it is good for us to promote Southern Products and Southern businesses. Maybe this should be split into two bills. A "Buy Southern Goods" Campaign and a "We encourage the Federal Government to condemn and take action over the treatment of Hong Kong by the People's Republic of China" resolution.

The Universal Self-Determination Act (The USD Act)
- Whereas the People's Republic of China has not fulfilled the 1997 Handover Agreement in allowing Hong Kongers to elect all of their legislators rather than reserving seats for business interests.
- Whereas Hong Kong does not receive an option for self-determination.
- Whereas Hong Kong does not receive the right to choose its own executive.
- Whereas Hong Kongers are being stripped of civil liberties that all people deserve.
Article I
Section I) One million dollars shall be dispensed to the states of the Southern region, according to the population of each, for the creation and broadcast of advertisements promoting the purchase of South AtlasianAmerican-made goods and the deterrence of purchase of foreign-made, particularly Chinese-made goods.
Section II) The funds for this program shall be allocated to each Southern state’s Department of Commerce or equivalent.
Section III) The method of advertisement shall include but shall not be limited to television advertisements, billboard advertisements, radio advertisements, and so on.
Section IV) Upon the exhaustion of the aforementioned funds, Article I shall be null and void unless a law is passed renewing the fund in the same or a different amount.
Section V) Article I shall take effect, with funds dispensed to the states, on January 1, 2020.
Article II
It is the position of this chamber to object to the withdrawal of civil liberties, including the rights of public demonstration and assembly, of Hong Kongers by the government of that city, under undue influence from the People's Republic of China.
Article III
It is the position of this chamber to request that the People's Republic of China hold a status referendum in Hong Kong. This chamber also requests that such a referendum be legally binding if a majority of Hong Kong voters participate. This chamber requests that United Nations and Carter Center election observers be present to ensure a lack of voter intimidation in a completely free and fair referendum.
Article IV
It is also the request of this Chamber that the People's Republic of China honor the 1997 Handover agreement in allowing Hong Kong citizens to elect all of their legislators, as opposed to reserving a portion of seats for pro-PRC business interests. It is also the position of this chamber to request that the People's Republic of China (PRC) allow Hong Kong to elect its own executive without influence from the PRC. This chamber requests that Hong Kongers be able to determine their own future, even into 2047 and onward.
Article V
It is the position of this Chamber to request the Nyman government to enact a similar bill. It is the position of this Chamber to urge the Nyman government to seriously consider an end to CAFTA, most-favored-nation status with the PRC and the beginning of economic sanctions against the PRC due to the situation in Hong Kong.

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[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

The Universal Self-Determination Act (The USD Act)
- Whereas the People's Republic of China has not fulfilled the 1997 Handover Agreement in allowing Hong Kongers to elect all of their legislators rather than reserving seats for business interests.
- Whereas Hong Kong does not receive an option for self-determination.
- Whereas Hong Kong does not receive the right to choose its own executive.
- Whereas Hong Kongers are being stripped of civil liberties that all people deserve.
Article I
Section I) One million dollars shall be dispensed to the states of the Southern region, according to the population of each, for the creation and broadcast of advertisements promoting the purchase of South AtlasianAmerican-made goods and the deterrence of purchase of foreign-made, particularly Chinese-made goods.
Section II) The funds for this program shall be allocated to each Southern state’s Department of Commerce or equivalent.
Section III) The method of advertisement shall include but shall not be limited to television advertisements, billboard advertisements, radio advertisements, and so on.
Section IV) Upon the exhaustion of the aforementioned funds, Article I shall be null and void unless a law is passed renewing the fund in the same or a different amount.
Section V) Article I shall take effect, with funds dispensed to the states, on January 1, 2020.
Article II
It is the position of this chamber to object to the withdrawal of civil liberties, including the rights of public demonstration and assembly, of Hong Kongers by the government of that city, under undue influence from the People's Republic of China.
Article III
It is the position of this chamber to request that the People's Republic of China hold a status referendum in Hong Kong. This chamber also requests that such a referendum be legally binding if a majority of Hong Kong voters participate. This chamber requests that United Nations and Carter Center election observers be present to ensure a lack of voter intimidation in a completely free and fair referendum.
Article IV
It is also the request of this Chamber that the People's Republic of China honor the 1997 Handover agreement in allowing Hong Kong citizens to elect all of their legislators, as opposed to reserving a portion of seats for pro-PRC business interests. It is also the position of this chamber to request that the People's Republic of China (PRC) allow Hong Kong to elect its own executive without influence from the PRC. This chamber requests that Hong Kongers be able to determine their own future, even into 2047 and onward.
Article V
It is the position of this Chamber to request the Nyman government to enact a similar bill. It is the position of this Chamber to urge the Nyman government to seriously consider an end to CAFTA, most-favored-nation status with the PRC and the beginning of economic sanctions against the PRC due to the situation in Hong Kong.

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24 hours for objections. If there are no objections this will be the official version of the bill.

I will accept proxies in favor of the amendments, in the event of an objection.

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

I object to a final vote in this instance because I would like a response to my point in my earlier thoughts on foreign policy by proxy.

While I agree with the sentiments in this bill, I'm not sold on the idea (implicit in this bill) that it's the jurisdiction of the Southern Government to engage in foreign policy by proxy.

I think this is a point worth discussing. I'm happy to withdraw my objection and to then 2nd the motion once there is some discussion.

I am interested if the Governor, both Southern Senators & House Reps from the South, have views on this to respond. I am also happy with a delegates only discussion. Unfortunately it looks like it's just you and me, Westie. It would be sad if the 16th southern chamber's discussion could simply be held by the two of us DMing each other.

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Considering the views of the Chamber and our Federal Southern Officials, I think I might be best if the current bill is tabled. I am happy to co-sponsor of two separate bills with Delegate West Midlander as per my original statement.

A "Buy Southern Goods" Campaign and a "We encourage the Federal Government to condemn and take action over the treatment of Hong Kong by the People's Republic of China" resolution.

1st for Patriotic Purchasing which promotes Southern Products over those produced in foreign workshops outside of Atlasia and the south in particular.

Article I
Section I) One million dollars shall be dispensed to the states of the Southern region, according to the population of each, for the creation and broadcast of advertisements promoting the purchase of South Atlasian made goods and the deterrence of purchase of foreign-made, particularly Chinese-made goods.
Section II) The funds for this program shall be allocated to each Southern state’s Department of Commerce or equivalent.
Section III) The method of advertisement shall include but shall not be limited to television advertisements, billboard advertisements, radio advertisements, and so on.
Section IV) Upon the exhaustion of the aforementioned funds, Article I shall be null and void unless a law is passed renewing the fund in the same or a different amount.
Section V) Article I shall take effect, with funds dispensed to the states, on January 1, 2020.

2nd, a resolution encouraging the Federal Government up in Nyman to stand up for the value of self determination.

It is the position of this Chamber to urge the Federal government in Nyman to seriously consider an end to CAFTA, most-favored-nation status with the PRC and the beginning of economic sanctions against the PRC due to the situation in Hong Kong.

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Points are taken. Let's table this and I'll reintroduce as the bills Muaddib suggested when I get home.

Mate, I've added them to the queue. :thumbs up:

Article I
Section I) One million dollars shall be dispensed to the states of the Southern region, according to the population of each, for the creation and broadcast of advertisements promoting the purchase of South Atlasian made goods and the deterrence of purchase of foreign-made, particularly Chinese-made goods.
Section II) The funds for this program shall be allocated to each Southern state’s Department of Commerce or equivalent.
Section III) The method of advertisement shall include but shall not be limited to television advertisements, billboard advertisements, radio advertisements, and so on.
Section IV) Upon the exhaustion of the aforementioned funds, Article I shall be null and void unless a law is passed renewing the fund in the same or a different amount.
Section V) Article I shall take effect, with funds dispensed to the states, on January 1, 2020.

Sponsors: Delegate Muaddib, Delegate West_Midlander

It is the position of this Chamber to urge the Federal government in Nyman to seriously consider an end to CAFTA, most-favored-nation status with the PRC and the beginning of economic sanctions against the PRC due to the situation in Hong Kong.

Sponsors: Delegate Muaddib, Delegate West_Midlander

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

In future all things considered (with the [IN]Activity of the chamber) this might be quicker.

2.) The sponsor of a piece of legislation may at any time withdraw his or her sponsorship. In addition, when the sponsor is no longer a Delegate, his or her sponsorship shall be revoked automatically. If no member of the Chamber of Delegates moves to assume sponsorship of the legislation within 48 hours, the legislation shall be tabled automatically.

However as I'm here and as the deputy Speaker, since there have been no objections;
Voting to Table  S.19.4-4: The Universal Self-Determination Act is now open.
Voting is 48 Hours or until all delegates have voted which ever comes first.

Voting Options are:
[   ] Aye
[   ] Nay
[   ] Abstain

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Thank you Senator, North Carolina Yankee. Of course the chamber has the ability to vote down the tabling of this bill. Should the chamber wish to continue discussion in light of your comments. However, it seems that the consensus by and large expressed so far in this Chamber, including our Federal Representatives in both houses is that two separate bills would be the best option.

Possible amendment is to merge these two parts back and remove the sections that are already taken out.

Article I
Section I) One million dollars shall be dispensed to the states of the Southern region, according to the population of each, for the creation and broadcast of advertisements promoting the purchase of South Atlasian made goods and the deterrence of purchase of foreign-made, particularly Chinese-made goods.
Section II) The funds for this program shall be allocated to each Southern state’s Department of Commerce or equivalent.
Section III) The method of advertisement shall include but shall not be limited to television advertisements, billboard advertisements, radio advertisements, and so on.
Section IV) Upon the exhaustion of the aforementioned funds, Article I shall be null and void unless a law is passed renewing the fund in the same or a different amount.
Section V) Article I shall take effect, with funds dispensed to the states, on January 1, 2020.

Article II
It is the position of this Chamber to urge the Federal government in Nyman to seriously consider an end to CAFTA, most-favored-nation status with the PRC and the beginning of economic sanctions against the PRC due to the situation in Hong Kong.

I think the merits of separating the "Buy Southern" and "Self Determination" elements avoids any potential and falsely perceived notions of over extension on the part of the Southern Government.

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

One issue I will mention now is the importation of censorship on American companies like the NBA in order to do business in the PRC.

They are self censoring for fear of a Chinese market backlash. It doesn't even have to be the People's Republic of China's government for them to feel the need censor themselves. One Billion people is a massive market.

...The PRC and its system, its oppression that it wishes to push onto other countries, other peoples, is horrific.

Indeed and you should quote your post for when the Federal Government debates a sanction bill

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Voting is closed

S.19.4-4: The Universal Self-Determination Act has been tabled.

Vote to Table Tally
[ 2 ] Aye
[ 1 ] Nay
[ 0 ] Abstain
[ 2 ] Absent (PragmaticPopulist, Muaddib)

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

My apologies to this Chamber for my first, non leave of absence, no show for a vote. I forgot to vote 24ish hours ago and had a number of real life engagements that prevented me from posting my vote today (Aussie time). Voting on legislation, even if it is to table, is important and I hope we will all lift our chamber discussion and vote attendance. Thank you to Delegate West Midlander for his continued activity in this Chamber providing a good example of the kind of activity one should expect a Southern Delegate to demonstrate.

Delegate West Midlander, the Promoting Patriotic Purchasing & The Value of Self Determination Resolution are in the legislative queue. It will just mean a slight delay in seeing them passed. It does provide the opportunity for tardy delegates and for the rest of this chamber to discuss these things further.