Israel hits back against Iran (bombs Isfahan, home to nuclear facilities)

[CumbrianLefty]

I'm just loving how peaceful the world is under Biden.

Jimmy Carter is the real president to blame for this .

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/10/ayatollah-khomeini-jimmy-carter-administration-iran-revolution

The BBC’s reporting suggests that the Carter administration took heed of Khomeini’s pledges, and in effect paved the way for his return by holding the Iranian army back from launching a military coup.

Carter’s intervened to stop the Iranian military from stopping the revolution and his decision to do so has been nothing but a disaster for the Middle East . Imagine if Iran today was led by a western ally instead of an Islamist , because if it was the Middle East would be far more peaceful today and you may have seen a two state solution by now (since it was the Ayotallah’s Iran that funded Hamas and Hezbollah).

Can we please at least dispose of this GOPist myth that a popular uprising supported by around three quarters of the Iranian population could somehow have been painlessly "stopped". Where we went wrong was in not trying harder to influence the course of the revolution subsequently.

[CumbrianLefty]

I'm just loving how peaceful the world is under Biden.

Jimmy Carter is the real president to blame for this .

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/10/ayatollah-khomeini-jimmy-carter-administration-iran-revolution

The BBC’s reporting suggests that the Carter administration took heed of Khomeini’s pledges, and in effect paved the way for his return by holding the Iranian army back from launching a military coup.

Carter’s intervened to stop the Iranian military from stopping the revolution and his decision to do so has been nothing but a disaster for the Middle East . Imagine if Iran today was led by a western ally instead of an Islamist , because if it was the Middle East would be far more peaceful today and you may have seen a two state solution by now (since it was the Ayotallah’s Iran that funded Hamas and Hezbollah).

And I suppose it's Harry Truman's fault that China went communist.

You must know that at least some blue avatars on here will believe that totally non-ironically.

[CumbrianLefty]

Yes the West has shown its solidarity with Israel, and to that degree it is indeed a loss for Iran.

But many will hope they extracted a price for doing so - not only no to any major retaliation, but also perhaps moves to de-escalate the parlous situation in Gaza.

[CumbrianLefty]

Saw some clickbait Twitter accounts claiming that an Israeli counter-strike is coming. Anything to it, or just nonsense?

I mean “counter strike” can mean a lot of things . Striking Iran directly would be very different than striking one of their militias .

Israel will surely do something, I would imagine.

But hopefully all the calls for restraint will have some effect.

[CumbrianLefty]

That was a film, this is real life.

Of course I know that you know that, but still

[CumbrianLefty]

So Biden wagging his finger at Netanyahu while promising him unconditional military support and tens of billions in aid didn't convince him to deescalate. What a shock.

Bit of a rush to judgement, given that Israel could easily have done a lot more.

It actually looks as if the widespread (not just the US) calls for restraint may have had some impact. Certainly there were those around the Israeli government arguing for a much harsher response.

[CumbrianLefty]

Who are you referring to there?

[CumbrianLefty]

Ah right, I thought the reference was to US national elections - hence the understandable confusion