Would you support the following HYPOTHETICAL peace treaty for the Russian-Ukrainian War?

[CumbrianLefty]

I don’t see regaining Crimea, any sort of reparations, or any settlement on Georgia or Moldavia as a possibility.

Disagree somewhat on Moldova (note the spelling)

There is always the possibility they finally decide to join up with Romania as well.

[CumbrianLefty]

Disagree with all this "vengeance on Russia" stuff.

If they are eventually badly defeated in this war (and that is far from a given, it has to be said) they should be given the chance to join the civilised family of nations just as the Germans and Japanese were after WW2. Nations, just as with individuals, need carrots as well as sticks.

[CumbrianLefty]

Disagree with all this "vengeance on Russia" stuff.

If they are eventually badly defeated in this war (and that is far from a given, it has to be said) they should be given the chance to join the civilised family of nations just as the Germans and Japanese were after WW2. Nations, just as with individuals, need carrots as well as sticks.

seems like we tried this once with Russia already and it didn't take.  I'm sure different people will have different opinions as to why that is, but my theory is that they were never properly beaten in a war.  Unlike Germany and Japan.

We tried, but maybe not as hard as we could have done.

There was rather a lot of unjustified and hubristic triumphalism after the collapse of the USSR.

[CumbrianLefty]

There is such a thing as magnanimity in victory, and that would have been a good time for it.

[CumbrianLefty]

No, polls really did have Yeltsin with 2-3% approval ratings at his lowest point.

Just how reliable such polling was in Russia is, of course, a different ball game entirely.

[CumbrianLefty]

No, polls really did have Yeltsin with 2-3% approval ratings at his lowest point.

Just how reliable such polling was in Russia is, of course, a different ball game entirely.

What polls? Those that Putin personally drew yesterday? It is unlikely that Yeltsin would have been elected for a second presidential term with 2% of the vote.

Fairly obviously, he had regained some popularity by then. Duh

Though you are surely at least as aware of the rumours about the 1996 election as I am.

[CumbrianLefty]

No, polls really did have Yeltsin with 2-3% approval ratings at his lowest point.

Just how reliable such polling was in Russia is, of course, a different ball game entirely.

What polls? Those that Putin personally drew yesterday? It is unlikely that Yeltsin would have been elected for a second presidential term with 2% of the vote.

Fairly obviously, he had regained some popularity by then. Duh

Though you are surely at least as aware of the rumours about the 1996 election as I am.

Rumors that appeared when Putin ruled

No, there were plenty of claims made at the time. Surprised you are unaware of this.

It was almost certainly broadly free and fair, but also with some rough edges shall we say.