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« on: July 27, 2023, 06:13:16 AM »

To quote Brenda from Bristol, not another one.
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2023, 09:25:27 AM »

We always mark your words, maybe in more senses than one.
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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2023, 06:49:11 AM »

The discourse in here is somehow worse despite many of the usual suspects being absent, so I've made the mistake of trying to address some of the worst bits.

Niger is neither a fully-fledged democracy nor a permanent colony to be directly transferred from French to Russian control by virtue of a military coup which seemed to involve neither French nor Russian personnel. The greatest loss as a result of this coup will be to Niger and its people, but the good news is that they are far more capable of changing their destiny than tenuously connected foreign powers which are likely to underestimate a small, landlocked country half a world away.

Until the coup, Niger was - at best - an emerging democracy with serious repression problems, in part on account of the Islamist insurgency but also because of various historical issues, widespread poverty and the rising regional instability/cost of living issues (partly a result of climate change, which poses a greater risk in the long term). Despite this, it was in a better position than most other countries in the Sahel, and Niger's first peaceful transfer of power (from one elected leader to another) two years earlier meant there was much room for optimism.

The French had outsized influence there (originally secured through colonialism, and still featuring economic exploitation by a number of large French companies), but they were not the only partner and Nigerien trade went well beyond a single natural resource you might find on a Catan hex tile. China made a number of oil investments there in the last 10-15 years, IIRC, and uranium mining has been experiencing significant decline for a similar period (whether this will change is TBD).

The speed of this coup would suggest even French influence is rather limited - and the idea that the FSB would do this principally for the uranium (not exactly in short supply in Russia) is a little bit out there (again, the Catan mindset - I wouldn't put it past Russian officials to think this way, but it's too far to speculate in this context).

I would like to point out that, at this time, the new regime has not yet stated they wish to expel the French, and the French government has worked (and continues to work) with plenty of African dictatorships. They have condemned this particular coup, but the wording was quite weak and Macron isn't known for his consistency.

Coups have been horribly common in the Sahel since decolonisation and may well become more so because of difficult and worsening living conditions, respectively. The War on Terror did not help matters, but it wasn't as if foreign countries weren't grooming soldiers prior to that - for instance, Libya's Haftar is a former CIA asset from the Cold War.

If successful, this would be Niger's fifth coup - on the face of it, not an exception to their historical norm. Fortunately, it's too early to declare the coup a success, and the deposed government might retain more grassroots support than previously couped regimes, on account of it not being another dictatorship. There has only been one successful coup against a democratic government in Niger, and the coupists' rule ended three years later with their assassination in another coup, followed by elections.

An excellent overview, as one might expect from you.

Can't resist addressing the bolded bit, though - its getting on for half a million square miles in area!
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2023, 06:50:56 AM »

Have there been any actual demonstrations of support within the country for Bazoum? Haven’t seen anything but I could be wrong. If not, surely that should give some pause for thought regarding intervention (not that I believe intervention to be a particularly likely scenario).

there were big demonstrations in the capital in the days immediately after the coup

Yes, he definitely does have local support (though of course hard to quantify just how much)
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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2023, 08:46:38 AM »

Asking Jfern not to be a red-brown tankie is asking a fish not to swim

Isn't this a tautology?
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2023, 08:44:57 AM »

It really is impressive the shear amount of nothing that Red Velvet says every time he comments on international politics. It's not even reminiscent of Chat GPT, moreso a Markov chain bot from about 15 years ago.

Muh, something something.......GLOBAL SOUTH!!

Oh, and America did something bad once - didn't you know?
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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2023, 08:53:30 AM »

Euromaidan was all a CIA plot though, haven't you heard?

Victoria Nuland said something once, allegedly.
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2023, 08:44:19 AM »

Yes, certainly not against outside interventions per se but hard to see how this one would end well.
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2023, 06:57:26 AM »

And its not even historically based, given quite a few African military coups were pro-Western.
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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2023, 07:16:35 AM »

No time for Macron, but your ignoring the correction on that tweet is a classic.
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