Germany megathread

[CumbrianLefty]

Why do these people think "giving Putin everything he wants" equals "Peace"?

[CumbrianLefty]

One can find Russia's war crimes abhorrent and at the same time think that an unjust peace is better than a just war, let alone a nuclear escalation.

Oh come on, if it wasn't for Putin having the nuclear shroud to wave around the calculus around this conflict would be completely different. Only a few crackpots advocate "total defeat of Russia" in the WW1/2 sense (as opposed to their being obviously defeated in Ukraine) but if they didn't have nukes the idea of inflicting on them a total national humiliation like Germany and Japan in 1945 would have very wide support. And almost nobody would be advocating for an "unjust peace" either.

[CumbrianLefty]

The numbers you posted are from 2019 aka Trump and the 40 per cent given for Germany don't seem that much of an outlier, if you consider, that UK was also at 40 per cent.

Think you have misread the poll there.....

[CumbrianLefty]

https://twitter.com/TheresaAFallon/status/1630129964388343808?s=20

ungrateful bastards, should have dissolved their sh**thole country after the war

#morgenthauwasright

If Morgenthau was right, then we needed to march our troops onto the Moon to defeat Nazi space colonies.

Indeed.

You're saying that's not actually true?

[CumbrianLefty]

Are they the local version of our very own People Polling?

[CumbrianLefty]

By now I'm a fan of the "enlarge the damn districts" solution, leading to fewer directly elected seats and hence also  fewer overhang and compensation seats. It doesn't even require to change the electoral system itself, but only a specific number within that system. That would make it a relatively safe bet that it passes the courts, unlike the last couple (and probably future) electoral reforms.

Do you know who was a staunch opponent of the "enlarge the damn districts" solution after Reunification?

Dunno, who?

[CumbrianLefty]

Young people are more likely to vote for left-liberal parties, you say?

Rather said the quiet part out loud there

[CumbrianLefty]

I thought the GDR "economic miracle" was pretty comprehensively debunked years ago anyway?

[CumbrianLefty]

Modern day Lysenkoism, no less.

[CumbrianLefty]

Though his previous seeming indecision over Ukraine is one likely cause of his poor poll ratings.

[CumbrianLefty]

Has population always been like that, or is the E being more sparsely populated a post-WW2 thing?

[CumbrianLefty]

SPD loses Mannheim mayoral post for the first time in 50 years to CDU, 49.9% to 48.7%

Which was actually a bit closer than expected.

[CumbrianLefty]

In practice, a "state of Bonn" would have contained rather more than the city itself I suppose.

[CumbrianLefty]

All that is missing is the SPD funding death squads, although support for Ukrainian ones is pretty close.

You are so edgy

[CumbrianLefty]

Its not exactly the most reliable source is it.

In this case, "considers" almost certainly means that one person has vaguely hinted something.

[CumbrianLefty]

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1690785647634632704


While I think the AFD is horrible, stuff like this is completely horrible and is extremely undemocratic as well. The reason the AFD has risen is Germany has not had an actual right of center party for a while and if the CDU acted like an actual right of center party then the AFD would not be doing anywhere near as well.

I doubt it will ever happen. Party bans are solely decided by the constitutional court (German Supreme Court), which aready threw out two requests to ban the far-right NPD. The only two parties that over got outlawed were in the 1950s, one Nazi Party and the Communist Party.

And the latter was quite obviously a product of the early Cold War (and was ultimately reversed)

[CumbrianLefty]

When somebody condemns completely fact based allegations as "politically motivated smears" (as he is now doing) it is almost always a sign they are not long for this political world.

[CumbrianLefty]

These takes are almost always overdone.

Germany still has a fair bit going for them despite the current problems.

[CumbrianLefty]

And how many is "too many"? How is this quantified and who decides??

If certain individuals said "I don't like foreigners/brown people" it would at least be more honest.

[CumbrianLefty]

These protests all across the world in favor of Hamas proves why there needs to be better screening of immigrants from certain nations

Though quite a few of the most objectionable people on these demos are not actually immigrants.

[CumbrianLefty]

Now let's see how this new party gets on polling wise, in particular if it affects AfD support at all.

[CumbrianLefty]

But again, might this be another case of vibes mattering at least as much as actual policy?

[CumbrianLefty]

Classic example of a leading question, what counts as "Islamic" for a start?

[CumbrianLefty]

FDP currently polling where they are is if anything an argument *against* them pulling the plug on the ruling coalition, rather than the opposite. Turkeys rarely vote for Christmas.

(though the SNP voting down the Labour government in 1979 is one counter-example)

[CumbrianLefty]

Was the "new" party perhaps hoping for more Linke defections than that?