China razes Mosque ...

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China razes Mosque...

Uygour would like independance...

Chinese are not here because they want...

Wow! So much things which are OK with an other part of my scenario for the future of the world!

Wanna know this other part?

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Well, if something that I expect arrives, I mean a WW3 which begins in Persian Gulf and which leads step by step to West and friends vs. Russia, China, and other opportunist allies. I think that through other things, West will win, after beginning to lose and after a metamorphose which will permit it to win and so we would have through other things:

1. Russian federation would explode, you could have seen this in the thread on Russia.

And:

2. Dead of Chinese "communist" regime, which would also explode in ethnic regions, and which would become some sort of European Union too, like what I see for Russia. And also here maybe composed of other countries, or regions of other countries of this area.

And you wanna know the best concerning this?

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I think that the biggest part of China could change from its "communist" regime to an... evangelical regime (!).

Well, I've said enough on this scenario...

Hmm, that's not only one I have, but that's the one in which I manage to make coincide the most of things, that's my top of the list one...

I go too far?

Maybe, yes, maybe. But, maybe not...

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But that's not Capitalism.

(Hmm, It seems this debate has already taken place on the forum)

Hmm, personally, I would think it takes the most efficient in communism dictatorship, the most efficient in capitalism, it mixes ... ... ... and here we are! The result is China! 2008 version.

Well, I've already said it, and that's just my point of view, but I think everyone should be prepared that it becomes more or less the future of the world.

Masses around the world are less and less educated to democracy, even in West, they are more and more manipulable, they care less and less about principles, but more and more about material, so, I think they will let them going step by step, with small and big steps, in such regimes.

And what would be the best to keep under control the populations of these regime?

"GOD"!

Yes, more of that, more and more peoples, despaired or just lost in the current realities are looking for some transcendent things in which they can forget all their problems and by which they can be reassured. And I also consider spirituality as part of the human, so I consider as normal that the humans are looking for it. But I think the spiritual voices they will be proposed will just make promises to them and will exploit their naivete and their despair, to establish hard political regimes, and maybe those who will do it will be convinced they do the right thing, they do it for "God", that "God" wants it...

Evangelicals are going very well in the largest part of the chinese population, I mean the poorest part, peasants, working-class, all those who build these very big modern chinese cities, so, all who are not part of the new chinese middle class which represent just 300 millions on 1 billions and 400 millions of chinese. Evangelicals are going very well even if they are forbidden there, they are currently 100 to 200 millions.

If China knows a big crisis (war, economy, etc) what I consider as really possible, I think that evangelicals can go further and further there and if ever there is a US gov in their favor, they could be helped in order to establish a new regime, West-friendly, and maybe officially evangelical. To me, in case of a war China-US it could be a 1917 scenario, when Germany helped Russian communists to change the regime and so that shut the east front.

Hmm, well, this seem unrealistic today, doesn't it? Maybe it is and maybe it will be but when we envisage future I think we should really pay attention to the background trends, these are the future trends, they just need a developer. What would be the developer? Are these the good background trends?

Well, I can't say, to me these are big probabilities, the future will talk and say, but I would advice to pay attention to this...

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capitalism–noun an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, esp. as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.

Sorry, but I would like to be explained why it is forbidden to say that China makes both of the 2 opposed propositions in this definition? Doesn't it? Doesn't it share the state-owned means to  multi-national capitalist enterprises who makes the best offers?

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Lewis -- Do you have any (workable) alternatives to corporations existing or not?(Communism was tried and proved to fail)

Well, I think here's an interesting point. Now, there are just corporations, and so they can be authoritarian.

The way in which I find that corporations can be authoritarian is that the job policy is in their hands. They choose who work and where, and according to such or such country, they choose for which price. The work is the base of a human society, if you largely control the work, don't you largely control how work a society? Even if there are a lot of different companies in different countries, they all work on the same model, the current one, which give them a large power on a human society by work, and globalization increases that a lot: "Shut up or I go to China". And once in China: "That's fine, everybody shut up here". You wanna work? Shut up.

So, maybe we can't say corporations are authoritarian, but the current economic model which gives so much power to corporations is authoritarian to workers.