Should this murderer get the death penalty?

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Opposing death penalty, in any case.

For a lot of reasons.

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Yes, this waste of space does not deserve to live. When you take away another's life you lose the right to your own.

Aside of the fact that to me there are a lot of reasons to ban death penalty, if we follow your logic then those who apply death penalty have to be put to death and so on, until the last human on earth gives him suicide for having killed the preceding one...

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Shadow of the Wave is going around in circles here.

He made a claim that killing someone caused you to lose your own right to life.

Then he went on to explain that by saying society had to prevent the killer from killing again, and upon hearing that life imprisonment would accomplish the same goal, he simply said he felt it was not adequate punishment.

None of that has to do with the original statement and my question.

We do not need to waste space filling up our prisons with people that serve no purpose in society other than destroying it. My explanation was basic reasoning for the death penalty. Yes, life imprisonement can work as well, but my personal philosophy remains that people should be killed for killing.

In response to benwah's comment, I really didn't think I needed to get into intent, but sometimes people just assume things in order to fit their own argument. Killing someone who kills another is once again helping society. The person killing that person would be saving others rather than becoming part of the problem.

No, i think it doesn't help the society, i think it's most likely the opposite. When you kill someone for a fault he committed, you don't try to see the flaws, and you don't try to improve your society, you just eliminate the visibility of a problem, you don't try to rule the problem, you don't try to get how he could have done that and how it could be possible to improve a human being. When you do that, your society intellectually stagnates and is condemned to know again and again the same problems.

Plus, and i didn't want to open this debate, because it is such an huge one, but, are you sure we have choices of what we do? And even if you think we would have would it be even a small part of choice, do you think it is enough to resist to all of the casualty chain that is our environment? With such interrogation, how can you allow yourself to take the life of an other one, where is his actual responsibility in what he does?

And once again, if ever you come to admit he does the evil in his plain choice, killing someone doesn't rule a problem, it just removes the visibility of it.

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3. A lot of people are saying jail-time could be a worse punishment than death penalty from the perspective of the criminal. That makes no sense. If he really thought so, wouldn't he just kill himself?

Suicides in prison is an actual reality. Growing in France.

1. A lot of people seem to think vengeance is not a good enough motive for punishment. I definitely think it is. That isn't "barbaric" or "primitive" it can easily be supported by philosophical principles consistent with a high legal standard. And it is, in fact, the principle on which our legal system in civilized countries is based. I think a good question to ask is this: if not vengeance, then what is the basis of our punishments?

That could make my point, given that I don't support vengeance, for reasons mentioned in my above post.