Israel and Palestine: The One-State Solution

[dead0man]

Two states is much more likely than one, since one is NEVER going to happen.  Maybe in 1947 you could have had that, but too many hot heads then and there are a lot more now. 

Add the 6 decades of blood and you get no chance for a one state solution. 




(I suppose there could be a one state solution where one side or the other is 100% in charge, but that would likely be uglier than what we have now)

[dead0man]

Well you could hypothetically put in some quasi-democratic power sharing structure like Northern Ireland. After all, plenty of bad blood existed there and now former paramilitary leaders (oh sorry "alleged" paramilitaries) share government together.

It's worked ok in N. Ireland.  It's worked pretty sh**tty in most of the other places in similar situations.

[dead0man]

It's untenable. And thus it will never happen.

I don't think the latter conclusion necessarily follows the former one.

Then Israel is in deep sh*t.

People outside of Israel have been saying that since it's birth.  Many of them hoping for it, some of them actively working towards it.  Israel has done just fine, great even.  Yeah, their future might not be as secure as the US or, say, Japan, but one could fairly easy make the argument that they are the most secure country within 1500 miles of Tel Aviv (except Italy).


(I'm not saying one can't make good arguments for other countries being more secure, one certainly can....Turkey ain't going anywhere for example)

[dead0man]

It's untenable. And thus it will never happen.

I don't think the latter conclusion necessarily follows the former one.

Then Israel is in deep sh*t.

People outside of Israel have been saying that since it's birth.  Many of them hoping for it, some of them actively working towards it.  Israel has done just fine, great even.  Yeah, their future might not be as secure as the US or, say, Japan, but one could fairly easy make the argument that they are the most secure country within 1500 miles of Tel Aviv (except Italy).


(I'm not saying one can't make good arguments for other countries being more secure, one certainly can....Turkey ain't going anywhere for example)

You don't think Israel has a real problem if it annexes the West Bank? As I said, I think the status quo works for Israel reasonably well. And I don't think the West Bank leaders really want an independent state. They certainly don't act like it. At some point, they may change their mind.

Oh, I may have been confused.  I was arguing they're secure if the status quo remains.  (hell, they'd be secure even if the Palestinians got their sh**t together and actually decided to make a functioning state) I don't know what would happen if they actually tried to legally annex the west bank.  The rest of the world would be angry, but likely not angry enough to actually do anything substantial about it.  There would certainly be more action locally, but the locals don't do military things well.  In the long term (50+ years) it would probably be the best outcome for everybody involved, but it would be very bloody for the first few years.

But Israel isn't going to do that.

[dead0man]

Aye, very true.