Indictment-O-Rama Megathread: Mueller indicts 13 Russians

[Reaganfan]

I notice it hasn't been mentioned here that the FBI released 375 text messages to the House Judiciary Committee Tuesday showing discussions between Peter Strzok and his mistress, an FBI laywer Lisa Page.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/13/fbi-officials-discussed-insurance-policy-against-trump-presidency/

Two FBI officials who worked on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation exchanged text messages last year in which they appear to have discussed ways to prevent Donald Trump from being elected president.

“I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office — that there’s no way [Trump] gets elected — but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk,” FBI counterintelligence official Peter Strzok wrote in a cryptic text message to Lisa Page, an FBI lawyer and his mistress.

“It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40,” Strzok wrote in the text, dated Aug. 15, 2016.

Andy is likely Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe.

“Maybe you’re meant to stay where you are because you’re meant to protect the country from that menace,” Page wrote.

“I can protect our country at many levels, not sure if that helps,” Strzok replied.


It seems quite amazing to me the threat Trump poses to the establishment. Reminds me of the scene in "JFK" where Kevin Costner tells Donald Sutherland:

[Reaganfan]

How so?  The fact that Mueller immediately removed Strzok makes it clear that he's conducting the investigation in a fair, neutral, partisanship-free manner.

My question is, how come the "deep state" as some 48% of the country believes, is so hell bent on taking down Donald Trump?

I mean, is it some sort of conspiratorial type thing? What I mean by that is, you have people like Jay Carney, who works in Obama's White House, but he's married to Claire Shipman, who is currently the national correspondent for ABC's Good Morning America.

Is it that? Are these people all overly college educated and super politically correct and all marrying and screwing each other and hanging out at the same clubs and stuff? Is it an elite thing? Or do they see their political established globalist agenda in jeopardy? I don't quite understand.

I mean, I detested Obama's politics, and I never voted for him even though most of my family did. But when he won, he won. Now, trying to block something legislatively, that's one thing. But to try and undo the will of the voters, is quite another. Like that idiot Roy Moore not conceding a legitimate election last night.

I don't understand where the vitriol is coming from.

[Reaganfan]

How so?  The fact that Mueller immediately removed Strzok makes it clear that he's conducting the investigation in a fair, neutral, partisanship-free manner.

My question is, how come the "deep state" as some 48% of the country believes, is so hell bent on taking down Donald Trump?

I mean, is it some sort of conspiratorial type thing? What I mean by that is, you have people like Jay Carney, who works in Obama's White House, but he's married to Claire Shipman, who is currently the national correspondent for ABC's Good Morning America.

Is it that? Are these people all overly college educated and super politically correct and all marrying and screwing each other and hanging out at the same clubs and stuff? Is it an elite thing? Or do they see their political established globalist agenda in jeopardy? I don't quite understand.

I mean, I detested Obama's politics, and I never voted for him even though most of my family did. But when he won, he won. Now, trying to block something legislatively, that's one thing. But to try and undo the will of the voters, is quite another. Like that idiot Roy Moore not conceding a legitimate election last night.

I don't understand where the vitriol is coming from.

Because he's a despicable human being who tries to ban muslims, trans people from the military, endorses pedos for politcal reasons, and promotes racism all while showing contempt toward the ideas of democracy

You're missing the point. He won an election. The people in Ohio and Michigan and Florida and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and dozens of other states chose him. Who are these elites to try and "save us from ourselves"?

This "we know better" attitude is what put Donald Trump there in the first place.

Is it a racial thing? I mean, quite honestly, if every Muslim in America moved to Spain tomorrow and immigration was completely cut off, there are millions upon millions of Americans that wouldn't notice one single difference in their day to day lives. I'm one of them. I don't know any Muslims, I don't have Muslim friends or relatives, and I don't even generally find middle eastern women attractive. It would have ZERO...ZERO impact on my life. The only POTENTIAL impact would be that the chances of dying in an Islamic extremist attack would be less.

Is that what it is? Are these "insiders" in the beltway more diversified than people in Michigan and Wisconsin and Ohio? I'm trying to understand.

[Reaganfan]

How so?  The fact that Mueller immediately removed Strzok makes it clear that he's conducting the investigation in a fair, neutral, partisanship-free manner.

My question is, how come the "deep state" as some 48% of the country believes, is so hell bent on taking down Donald Trump?

I mean, is it some sort of conspiratorial type thing? What I mean by that is, you have people like Jay Carney, who works in Obama's White House, but he's married to Claire Shipman, who is currently the national correspondent for ABC's Good Morning America.

Is it that? Are these people all overly college educated and super politically correct and all marrying and screwing each other and hanging out at the same clubs and stuff? Is it an elite thing? Or do they see their political established globalist agenda in jeopardy? I don't quite understand.

I mean, I detested Obama's politics, and I never voted for him even though most of my family did. But when he won, he won. Now, trying to block something legislatively, that's one thing. But to try and undo the will of the voters, is quite another. Like that idiot Roy Moore not conceding a legitimate election last night.

I don't understand where the vitriol is coming from.

Because he's a despicable human being who tries to ban muslims, trans people from the military, endorses pedos for politcal reasons, and promotes racism all while showing contempt toward the ideas of democracy

You're missing the point. He won an election. The people in Ohio and Michigan and Florida and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and dozens of other states chose him. Who are these elites to try and "save us from ourselves"?

This "we know better" attitude is what put Donald Trump there in the first place.

Is it a racial thing? I mean, quite honestly, if every Muslim in America moved to Spain tomorrow and immigration was completely cut off, there are millions upon millions of Americans that wouldn't notice one single difference in their day to day lives. I'm one of them. I don't know any Muslims, I don't have Muslim friends or relatives, and I don't even generally find middle eastern women attractive. It would have ZERO...ZERO impact on my life. The only POTENTIAL impact would be that the chances of dying in an Islamic extremist attack would be less.

Is that what it is? Are these "insiders" in the beltway more diversified than people in Michigan and Wisconsin and Ohio? I'm trying to understand.

Actually, it's this kind of pigheaded thinking that put Donald Trump in the White House.

But it's somewhat logical. It's true. It was probably the same during WW2 when it came to Japanese internment, which I believe was wrong. Hell, even J. Edgar Hoover said it was unnecessary. I'm sure to most Americans in 1942, they never saw any Japs and they didn't have a single difference in their life one way or another.

You might not like my statement, but it's true. I understand there are people with Muslim friends and families, they'd definitely dislike policies like that, but as far as many millions of Americans, months go by without seeing a single Muslim person.

[Reaganfan]

I like also how like the hypocrite that he and to be real most Trumpers are;Reaganfan places this emphasis on "the voters will" while dismissing the fact that the majority voted for Hillary

No I'm discussing the electoral college, which is how America elects it's Presidents.

I think what's happening in this country is that white Americans, even those who supported both Obama and Trump, are very homogeneous. A criminal is a criminal, a thug is a thug, and if they stop letting Muslims in, how does that affect Sally and John? It doesn't, at all. Thus, they hear you...but they don't care and in America, they don't have to care. They still get a vote, they still get their say.

[Reaganfan]

Conservatives and Never-Trumpers that once defended the Mueller investigation are now deriding it and saying that there should be an investigation into it. Big trouble for Democrats and Mueller as more of these damaging text messages come out.

My prediction: Trump will capitalize on these leaks to show how biased the FBI is and his approval ratings will rise rapidly.

Most of this is true, except for perhaps the approval ratings. I'm really not sure what happens with them.

I don't really take Trump's approval ratings seriously. Two polls out today have him at 41%, but I feel there is a difference between Trump at 41% compared to George W. Bush at 41%.

Trump never polls well, even old favorability polls long before he got into politics.

[Reaganfan]

How so?  The fact that Mueller immediately removed Strzok makes it clear that he's conducting the investigation in a fair, neutral, partisanship-free manner.

My question is, how come the "deep state" as some 48% of the country believes, is so hell bent on taking down Donald Trump?

I mean, is it some sort of conspiratorial type thing? What I mean by that is, you have people like Jay Carney, who works in Obama's White House, but he's married to Claire Shipman, who is currently the national correspondent for ABC's Good Morning America.

Is it that? Are these people all overly college educated and super politically correct and all marrying and screwing each other and hanging out at the same clubs and stuff? Is it an elite thing? Or do they see their political established globalist agenda in jeopardy? I don't quite understand.

I mean, I detested Obama's politics, and I never voted for him even though most of my family did. But when he won, he won. Now, trying to block something legislatively, that's one thing. But to try and undo the will of the voters, is quite another. Like that idiot Roy Moore not conceding a legitimate election last night.

I don't understand where the vitriol is coming from.

If he won with the aid of a foreign country and is beholden to that country, then the election that got him into the Presidency  (and who knows what else?) might look voidable.

You want it to be voidable because you dislike him personally. I disliked Obama personally but I never stooped to the impeachment level, EVER. I called out Republicans who would ever even consider it.

[Reaganfan]

I can't believe you guys are completely ignoring the brewing scandal within the FBI.

https://nypost.com/2018/01/23/evidence-suggests-a-massive-scandal-is-brewing-at-the-fbi/

[Reaganfan]

http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/24/stinks-to-high-heaven-rep-mark-meadows-lays-out-strzok-scandal-in-epic-tweet-storm/

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/01/24/michael-goodwin-evidence-suggests-massive-scandal-is-brewing-at-fbi.html

[Reaganfan]

god, this forum is so much better and more cogent than twitter or reddit right now.

Why? What's wrong with reddit?

[Reaganfan]

Mueller has enough evidence to prove the 2017 Seychelles meeting between Erik Prince and the Putin officials was to establish a backchannel between the Trump Whitehouse and the Kremlin.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/mueller-gathers-evidence-that-2016-seychelles-meeting-was-effort-to-establish-back-channel-to-kremlin/2018/03/07/b6a5fb8c-224b-11e8-94da-ebf9d112159c_story.html?utm_term=.7ecc7840bf8c

That is worthy of a Nuclear Elmo.

I'm sure the Republican party, Fox News, and the other blue avatar morons on this board will find a way to spin this away too.

I believe Kennedy used an ABC News reporter for a back channel with the Russians during the Cuban Missile Crisis.