Dem Pollster Pat Caddell: "I have lived this nightmare"

[Reaganfan]

Democratic Pollster from the Carter administration Pat Caddell had some strong concerns last night regarding the way liberals in the party have reflected on the Tea Party.

"I thought that the attack on the Tea Party is a political libel in the sense that these are Americans, individuals who are concerned that their country is in decline and going under. This attack on the American people is outrageous! The problem for liberal government is -- as a liberal, I will tell you -- proving that it works. You cannot have failure and then tell people they want more.

I feel like this is Yogi Berra, and for me it's "deja vu all over again." I have lived this nightmare, which is no one has an economic answer. His numbers are plummeting."

In the last several weeks, Caddell has also warned Obama supporters and the campaign not to just try and expect to win because "the other side is worse."

"The White House is counting on a campaign strategy which I lived through myself in 1980, which is "we will just demonize the opposition", or as the slogan someone said in 1980, I threw up my hands one day at a meeting in the White House and said, "What is our slogan, 'it could be worse'?"

[Reaganfan]

So says Fox's favorite ex-Democratic pollster. The same guy that helped market New Coke.

Pat Caddell is a cringeworthy joke unworthy of consideration.

He is often right.  Let's see, the Carter analogy.  So far it's Caddell, Doud, and J. J.  I wonder when Chris "Captain Malaise" Mathews will weigh in.

I just saw Rasmussen generic congressional ballot.  Not good news for Obama.

Chris Matthews. Used to be the anchor I watched until around 2001.

[Reaganfan]

Even with an independent thinking cap on, I find myself shaking my head when reading these posts where the Obama supporters are convinced, almost to an arrogance, that no matter how bad unemployment is and no matter who the Republicans nominate, that Obama will win and win big.

When I saw Pat Caddell's comments I realized he said what I was trying to get across. Democrats will lose and potentially lose badly if their strategy is to "demonize" the other side and say, "vote for us, it could be worse." It seems by what they say about Romney and Perry and Bachmann and Paul and Ryan and all of the GOP contenders is that is exactly how they plan on shaping the next election. If that is the case, Grant Park will be pretty depressing come morning November 7th.

[Reaganfan]

Even with an independent thinking cap on, I find myself shaking my head when reading these posts where the Obama supporters are convinced, almost to an arrogance, that no matter how bad unemployment is and no matter who the Republicans nominate, that Obama will win and win big.

When I saw Pat Caddell's comments I realized he said what I was trying to get across. Democrats will lose and potentially lose badly if their strategy is to "demonize" the other side and say, "vote for us, it could be worse." It seems by what they say about Romney and Perry and Bachmann and Paul and Ryan and all of the GOP contenders is that is exactly how they plan on shaping the next election. If that is the case, Grant Park will be pretty depressing come morning November 7th.

Bush '04 was based in large part on demonizing John Kerry. There have been countless successful campaigns based upon demonizing the opponent. The fact that Carter lost does not automatically mean Obama will lose. Your way of thinking about the election is just a simplistic as the way of the supposed Obama supporters on here you are complaining about.

Bush '04 was seen as reflecting on Bush's leadership since 9/11 against terrorism. What are Obama's re-election touting accomplishments?

[Reaganfan]

Even with an independent thinking cap on, I find myself shaking my head when reading these posts where the Obama supporters are convinced, almost to an arrogance, that no matter how bad unemployment is and no matter who the Republicans nominate, that Obama will win and win big.

When I saw Pat Caddell's comments I realized he said what I was trying to get across. Democrats will lose and potentially lose badly if their strategy is to "demonize" the other side and say, "vote for us, it could be worse." It seems by what they say about Romney and Perry and Bachmann and Paul and Ryan and all of the GOP contenders is that is exactly how they plan on shaping the next election. If that is the case, Grant Park will be pretty depressing come morning November 7th.

Bush '04 was based in large part on demonizing John Kerry. There have been countless successful campaigns based upon demonizing the opponent. The fact that Carter lost does not automatically mean Obama will lose. Your way of thinking about the election is just a simplistic as the way of the supposed Obama supporters on here you are complaining about.

Bush '04 was seen as reflecting on Bush's leadership since 9/11 against terrorism. What are Obama's re-election touting accomplishments?

Actually killing bin Laden?

Yes. Name another.

[Reaganfan]

Bush '04 was seen as reflecting on Bush's leadership since 9/11 against terrorism. What are Obama's re-election touting accomplishments?

Actually killing bin Laden?

Yes. Name another.

Shouldn't that be enough for leading on terrorism?

That's not the point. Name more accomplishments.

[Reaganfan]

Bush '04 was seen as reflecting on Bush's leadership since 9/11 against terrorism. What are Obama's re-election touting accomplishments?

Actually killing bin Laden?

Yes. Name another.

Shouldn't that be enough for leading on terrorism?

That's not the point. Name more accomplishments.

You name more accomplishments for Bush '04 first.  The score is 1-1.

- Creation of the Department of Homeland Security
- Invading Afghanistan and helping push the Taliban out of Kabul
- The Capture of Saddam Hussien
- Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act
- President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief
- No Child Left Behind Act
- Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act

[Reaganfan]

"I thought that the attack on the Tea Party is a political libel in the sense that these are Americans, individuals who are concerned that their country is in decline and going under.

Aaanndd this is where I stopped reading the ravings of an obvious hack.

He is a liberal Democrat.

[Reaganfan]

"I thought that the attack on the Tea Party is a political libel in the sense that these are Americans, individuals who are concerned that their country is in decline and going under.

Aaanndd this is where I stopped reading the ravings of an obvious hack.

He is a liberal Democrat.

No, he isn't.

His Democratic credentials are that he was Carter's pollster in the 1970s. You were on safe ground trumpeting that (although note that Rick Perry was a Democrat then, too.) He's not a liberal Dem.

well he's a self-identified liberal.

[Reaganfan]

I am astounded by the hackish demonstration by liberals recently with regards to Barack Obama. Indeed, they seemed rather angry at him just a week ago.

[Reaganfan]

I am astounded by the hackish demonstration by liberals recently with regards to Barack Obama. Indeed, they seemed rather angry at him just a week ago.

It may be because Pat's comments about libeling the Tea Party and all seemed on its face to be hackish hyperbole, and then when Pat was put on a pedestal as being some sort of Moses around here, that just got the competitive juices going, and everything fed on itself. Hey, that's how politics often works! 

I was simply showing how a liberal who worked in a Democratic Administration is trying to warn Democrats not to act like how they appear to be acting. They have this chip on their shoulder that they can win against anybody no matter what.

Need I remind them that the candidates Sarah Palin campaigned for won elections less than a year ago? Tea Party candidates? Need I remind them that if that is able to occur, then the notion of Barack Obama losing shouldn't be all that far-fetched.

[Reaganfan]

What's funny is that I'm watching the President's townhall in Illinois right now, and it almost sounds like he's running against the President...strange...