Labour have conceded the civil liberties principle to the National Government...

[Franzl]

     This is wonderful news. It looks like the United Kingdom will be a better place for the efforts of the coalition government.

I wouldn't be betting the house on it

I doubt there's anything the coalition could do that would gain your approval. It's all part of the "cult of neoliberalism", after all.

[Franzl]

     This is wonderful news. It looks like the United Kingdom will be a better place for the efforts of the coalition government.

I wouldn't be betting the house on it

I doubt there's anything the coalition could do that would gain your approval. It's all part of the "cult of neoliberalism", after all.

Not necessarily given that I agree with Iain Duncan Smith when he says that work is the road out of poverty. The 1950s, 1960s and 1970s were testament to that. Then we got the Blessed Margaret - the Founding Mother of Mass Welfare Dependency in this country - and an historical leap in poverty [Cameron himself in his interview with Jeremy Paxman admitted that the Thatcher governments had, willingly, tolerated that]

Tolerated or caused I ask? Aye, the Road to Serfdom for many - in Thatcher's Britain it was - £1.50 an hour? I don't call that freedom. I call that waged slavery

Did you just copy and paste that post from a recent thread? Looks 99% identical to me.

[Franzl]

Did you just copy and paste that post from a recent thread? Looks 99% identical to me.

Yes I did. And being accurate I tend to wield it at the Right like a sledgehammer

I find it more amusing than anything else, to be honest....but be my guest.

[Franzl]

But it's nowt to be funny about. The welfare state went beyond what the enlightened new liberals envisaged for it

Nobody should have to 'exist' on benefits

And I don't fancy the government owning entire industries and dictating what should and should not be paid.....but we'll just have to agree we have different things we dislike.