The 'Socialism' attack on President Obama

[Franzl]

Lately, many have accused the President Obama of embracing Socialism . As someone who was once a member of the Communist Party, I have researched Socialism/Communism for years. I think this quote best sums up my feelings about it now:

"How do you tell a Communist? It's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. How do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who UNDERSTANDS Marx and Lenin." -Ronald Reagan.

Having said that, after I did my research, I understood how unfair, and how damaging the idea of Socialism/Communism is. I now consider myself a proud Libertarian, and am a huge opponent of gigantic government.

My question is: if Obama is 'the farthest thing from a Socialist' as some of his supporters claim, how do you explain this?
http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/1054/1/157/

As a former member of this party, I can attest that most of it's members were ECSTATIC when Obama won the Presidency, and some called him "The best chance our party has".


If Obama does not hold Socialist ideals, why did he say this?

"One of the, I think, the tragedies of the civil rights movement, was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change, and in some ways we still suffer from that." -Barack Obama


Basically what I'm asking is, to those of you on the left: do you really think that Socialist ideals are a good thing for America?

Well obviously Obama is closer to being a communist than McCain. The Communist Party approving of his election doesn't mean anything.

I bet you anything the Nazi Party (or whatever they call themselves) prefered McCain to Obama....does that make McCain a Nazi?

[Franzl]

Nazism has absolutely nothing to do with modern liberalism, nothing at all.

[Franzl]

Nazism has absolutely nothing to do with modern liberalism, nothing at all.

Well duh, modern liberalism doesn't support the mass murder of ethnic groups. Or war mongering. Or even nationalism. Of course it doesn't support that.

But the Nazis weren't all about that. Go research some of their policies and then come back to me and tell me the same thing. Nazism is rooted in Liberalism. Again, National SOCIALIST party. Socialism is LEFT of the political spectrum.

Does that mean the Democratic Republic of North Korea is a democracy?

[Franzl]

First of all, learn a differences between communism and socialism, man

I don't see much difference, but it doesn't have anything to do with Nazism

[Franzl]

First of all, learn a differences between communism and socialism, man

I don't see much difference, but it doesn't have anything to do with Nazism

Again, the Nazis took over all the industry in the private sector. THAT WOULD BE SOCIALISM, would it not?

Sharing certain traits doesn't make ideologies have anything to do with each other. The intention was obviously very different, and it seems obvious that Nazis never intended for their state controlled businesses to "serve the people" (or insert random socialist phrase).

Again, are tough-on-terrorist conservative Republicans fascists for adovacting indefinite detention at Guantanamo? Your answer might be yes, but I would also disagree with that. Merely sharing a certain point of view doesn't indicate actual similarity.

[Franzl]

Basically what I'm asking is, to those of you on the left: do you really think that Socialist ideals are a good thing for America?

Yes.

But Obama's certainly no Socialist.

How on earth do you think Socialism is good for a nation that was founded on Capitalist belifes? Please explain.

I'm by no means a socialist, but what do the beliefs upon which the nation was founded have to do with what's "good for the nation"?