Democrats win Iowa State House special election

[Meeker]

The good news keeps on coming folks!

The Democrats have won the special election in Iowa's 90th House District tonight - 49% to 48%

Republicans had hoped to pick up this seat - but they failed again!

Further support for the Obama agenda and more evidence that America wants change.

Teddy, this one's for you!

[Meeker]

Actually, NOM spent $86k and kept airing anti-gay marriage ads throughout the district. And they lost. lololololol

I didn't think we'd win, but we did.

Yea, NOM did actually put a lot of effort into this thing to make it a referendum on gay marriage. So it is significant in that respect.

I couldn't resist another opportunity to do the opening post though.

[Meeker]

Was this a D open seat or an R?

D. The long-time incumbent got appointed to some agriculture-related job by Vilsack.

[Meeker]

Was this a D open seat or an R?

D. The long-time incumbent got appointed to some agriculture-related job by Vilsack.

By Culver you mean?

SwingStateProject says Vilsack. It's either an error or a federal job.

[Meeker]

And then you end up with a major legal mess, like in California, where there are different classes of same-sex couples in the state of Iowa, and the issue will end up in federal court again. Maybe Bush's top lawyer would help us again.

Either way, even if the Republicans can get a vote in the House where it's a bit closer, it'll be way harder in the Senate. And even then, the earliest it can be on the ballot is 2012, I believe. That's almost three and a half years of same-sex marriage, they wouldn't be able to take it away easily like in California when people were still getting used to it.

It's just as possible that the people chafing under it for 3 years will be ticked off enough in a year that could very well be good for the GOP, will kill it. That's too far out to foresee but history suggests that if it goes on the ballot gay marriage will die. Maine goes on the ballot this November. If a state as blue as Maine kills it that will bode ill for gay marriage in Iowa no matter when it makes it to the ballot.

Or people notice after three years of gay marriage that their lives are not in any way affected and accept it.

But no, you're right, they'll probably be upset because they've been "chafing under it".

[Meeker]

And then you end up with a major legal mess, like in California, where there are different classes of same-sex couples in the state of Iowa, and the issue will end up in federal court again. Maybe Bush's top lawyer would help us again.

Either way, even if the Republicans can get a vote in the House where it's a bit closer, it'll be way harder in the Senate. And even then, the earliest it can be on the ballot is 2012, I believe. That's almost three and a half years of same-sex marriage, they wouldn't be able to take it away easily like in California when people were still getting used to it.

It's just as possible that the people chafing under it for 3 years will be ticked off enough in a year that could very well be good for the GOP, will kill it. That's too far out to foresee but history suggests that if it goes on the ballot gay marriage will die. Maine goes on the ballot this November. If a state as blue as Maine kills it that will bode ill for gay marriage in Iowa no matter when it makes it to the ballot.

Or people notice after three years of gay marriage that their lives are not in any way affected and accept it.

But no, you're right, they'll probably be upset because they've been "chafing under it".

You do realize it has to do with a MORAL standard right? no one is saying you'll die or lose your house because gay marriage goes into effect.

And how exactly will be people be affected by a change in the "moral standard".

Furthermore, how will they be "chafing under it".

[Meeker]

And then you end up with a major legal mess, like in California, where there are different classes of same-sex couples in the state of Iowa, and the issue will end up in federal court again. Maybe Bush's top lawyer would help us again.

Either way, even if the Republicans can get a vote in the House where it's a bit closer, it'll be way harder in the Senate. And even then, the earliest it can be on the ballot is 2012, I believe. That's almost three and a half years of same-sex marriage, they wouldn't be able to take it away easily like in California when people were still getting used to it.

It's just as possible that the people chafing under it for 3 years will be ticked off enough in a year that could very well be good for the GOP, will kill it. That's too far out to foresee but history suggests that if it goes on the ballot gay marriage will die. Maine goes on the ballot this November. If a state as blue as Maine kills it that will bode ill for gay marriage in Iowa no matter when it makes it to the ballot.

Or people notice after three years of gay marriage that their lives are not in any way affected and accept it.

But no, you're right, they'll probably be upset because they've been "chafing under it".

You do realize it has to do with a MORAL standard right? no one is saying you'll die or lose your house because gay marriage goes into effect.

And how exactly will be people be affected by a change in the "moral standard".

Furthermore, how will they be "chafing under it".

How? Well for one, it's being forced down your throat when you didn't even get a say on it. your elected reps are denying you a vote. And on top of that legalizing gay "marriage" provides excellent fodder for the likes of the ACLU who enjoy attacking churches and religion. It also provides ammunition for those who enjoy stifiling freedom of speech under the guise of fighting "hate crimes."

So yeah, this can cause problems especially for regular people who believe in marriage and the ideals our nation was founded on.

You still haven't described a single way in which people will be "affected by it" or will "chafe under it" other then some vague concept that their psyche will be uncomfortable. Try again.

[Meeker]

And then you end up with a major legal mess, like in California, where there are different classes of same-sex couples in the state of Iowa, and the issue will end up in federal court again. Maybe Bush's top lawyer would help us again.

Either way, even if the Republicans can get a vote in the House where it's a bit closer, it'll be way harder in the Senate. And even then, the earliest it can be on the ballot is 2012, I believe. That's almost three and a half years of same-sex marriage, they wouldn't be able to take it away easily like in California when people were still getting used to it.

It's just as possible that the people chafing under it for 3 years will be ticked off enough in a year that could very well be good for the GOP, will kill it. That's too far out to foresee but history suggests that if it goes on the ballot gay marriage will die. Maine goes on the ballot this November. If a state as blue as Maine kills it that will bode ill for gay marriage in Iowa no matter when it makes it to the ballot.

Or people notice after three years of gay marriage that their lives are not in any way affected and accept it.

But no, you're right, they'll probably be upset because they've been "chafing under it".

You do realize it has to do with a MORAL standard right? no one is saying you'll die or lose your house because gay marriage goes into effect.

And how exactly will be people be affected by a change in the "moral standard".

Furthermore, how will they be "chafing under it".

How? Well for one, it's being forced down your throat when you didn't even get a say on it. your elected reps are denying you a vote. And on top of that legalizing gay "marriage" provides excellent fodder for the likes of the ACLU who enjoy attacking churches and religion. It also provides ammunition for those who enjoy stifiling freedom of speech under the guise of fighting "hate crimes."

So yeah, this can cause problems especially for regular people who believe in marriage and the ideals our nation was founded on.

You still haven't described a single way in which people will be "affected by it" or will "chafe under it" other then some vague concept that their psyche will be uncomfortable. Try again.

I guess lawsuits and the restriction of freedom of speech don't register as things that affect people in your world. I don't know what else to tell you if you're so dead set on gay "marriage" being legal despite its ill effects.

And you do realize its possible to just be ticked off while you are chafing and that's enough to make people kill something they don't like when they are already mad they didn't get a say on it.

Are you really this dumb? I'm asking you to name one tangible way, one noticeable way in which anyone's lives will be affected by legalized gay marriage. Not "they'll be angry about it" or "they'll be uncomfortable by it". Show me one measurable, tangible way in which a person's life will be impacted (especially negatively) by legalized gay marriage.

[Meeker]

And then you end up with a major legal mess, like in California, where there are different classes of same-sex couples in the state of Iowa, and the issue will end up in federal court again. Maybe Bush's top lawyer would help us again.

Either way, even if the Republicans can get a vote in the House where it's a bit closer, it'll be way harder in the Senate. And even then, the earliest it can be on the ballot is 2012, I believe. That's almost three and a half years of same-sex marriage, they wouldn't be able to take it away easily like in California when people were still getting used to it.

It's just as possible that the people chafing under it for 3 years will be ticked off enough in a year that could very well be good for the GOP, will kill it. That's too far out to foresee but history suggests that if it goes on the ballot gay marriage will die. Maine goes on the ballot this November. If a state as blue as Maine kills it that will bode ill for gay marriage in Iowa no matter when it makes it to the ballot.

Or people notice after three years of gay marriage that their lives are not in any way affected and accept it.

But no, you're right, they'll probably be upset because they've been "chafing under it".

You do realize it has to do with a MORAL standard right? no one is saying you'll die or lose your house because gay marriage goes into effect.

And how exactly will be people be affected by a change in the "moral standard".

Furthermore, how will they be "chafing under it".

How? Well for one, it's being forced down your throat when you didn't even get a say on it. your elected reps are denying you a vote. And on top of that legalizing gay "marriage" provides excellent fodder for the likes of the ACLU who enjoy attacking churches and religion. It also provides ammunition for those who enjoy stifiling freedom of speech under the guise of fighting "hate crimes."

So yeah, this can cause problems especially for regular people who believe in marriage and the ideals our nation was founded on.

You still haven't described a single way in which people will be "affected by it" or will "chafe under it" other then some vague concept that their psyche will be uncomfortable. Try again.

I guess lawsuits and the restriction of freedom of speech don't register as things that affect people in your world. I don't know what else to tell you if you're so dead set on gay "marriage" being legal despite its ill effects.

And you do realize its possible to just be ticked off while you are chafing and that's enough to make people kill something they don't like when they are already mad they didn't get a say on it.

Are you really this dumb? I'm asking you to name one tangible way, one noticeable way in which anyone's lives will be affected by legalized gay marriage. Not "they'll be angry about it" or "they'll be uncomfortable by it". Show me one measurable, tangible way in which a person's life will be impacted (especially negatively) by legalized gay marriage.

Your Church opposes gay marriage. Gay marriage is legalized in your state. So your church gets labeled a "hate" group and shut down. Maybe you think you're God and don't care about the Church but I'd say that negatively affects the people who attend and work at that Church.

You personally oppose gay marriage and get sued by some tool as a hate criminal for "hurting their feelings" and YOU have to pay damages.

Much as I don't want to I'm going to open the can of worms that gay marriage helps damage the psyche of a mother and a father raising a child and its a proven fact that children who live in a two gender parent household will have fewer societal problems than those who don't. You can yell bigot and nit pick as to whether this applies to gays or not but the fact that 2 men or 2 women can't have a child in the first place seems to suggest that God or evolution or whatever is trying to send us a message on that one.

You're and idiot and have no idea what you're talking about. No where in any of these laws does it force a church to perform marriages.

And you also clearly have no understanding of what a hate crime is.

I don't mind debating issues like this with someone who has some basic level of understanding as to what the hell they're talking about, but you've clearly shown yourself to be nothing but a bigoted moron who can't even present basic coherent arguments. I hope you change.

[Meeker]

I did a little research and found that in 2008 the Democrat candidate won 86% of the vote.

In the 2009 special election the Democrat candidate won 49% of the vote.

Hmm.

If that's what you want to brag about, you really have problems!

Holy shit CARL. There's no way you can possibly be this stupid without trying to be.