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The Vorlon
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« on: September 28, 2004, 12:50:50 PM »
« edited: September 28, 2004, 12:51:04 PM by The Vorlon »

Well this certainly clears things up.. Smiley

2 Way LV

Kerry 46
Bush 45

3 Way LV

Bush 45
kerry 45
Nader 1

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm

It is now official...

The world has gone mad Smiley



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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2004, 05:24:31 PM »

Its a TIPP poll!

Right in their with Democracy Corps and Zogby.

I thought the Vorlon regarded TIPP has a very good firm.

TIPP actually is quite a good firm IMHO(though Carl and I disagree on this one)

Hey any one firm can can lay an egg on any one poll.

Don't think TIPP has layed an egg yet this year, maybe this is their opportunity Smiley

As I always say...

Polls... trust 'em by the Dozen, ignore them one by one...

One poll is a "blip"...
Two polls is a "maybe"
Three polls is "Might be true"
10 polls I trust... unless they are wrong Wink

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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2004, 06:02:03 PM »
« Edited: September 28, 2004, 06:03:27 PM by The Vorlon »

Do you have the demographics on the TIPP poll cited?

Unless they are really overloading with Democrats, this result is rather hard to believe.

After considerable study, I believe the current realistic breakdown for likely voters is:

Democrats          38%

Republicans        37

Others                25

Party ID... the $64,000,000 questions Smiley

I actually think you are darn close at +1 to the Dem side, I might have said even, but I can certainly live with +1.

It also depends a bit on how you ask the question a bit and would reprase the issue a bit:

About a third of all adults when you ask will, on the first pass, answer that they are an "independant" but if you ask a followup for a "soft" party ID asking something like "Which party do you somewhat lean towards" this 1/3 divided up with a fairly strong break to the GOP side.

So if you ask a "hard" party ID question

"Are you registered as a Democrat, Republican, or an Independant"

you get roughly

Dems 35
Gop 32
Indys 33

(Number of self proclaimed indys is rising BTW)

But among this 33% who are on a first pass "independant" a plurality when pressed will "lean" towards the GOP.

If you beat with a stick (as Gallup for example does) these indys to get an even vague party ID this 33 breaks roughly:

33% Indys =>
     8 "Soft Dems"
     11% "Soft" GOP
     14% "hard core" Independants.

When you put it together and hammer the indys for a "soft" party ID you thus get:

Dems 43%
GOP 43%
Indys 14%

Given that a lot of these party ID's are "soft" needless to say the bounce around a fair bit from poll to poll.
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