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The Vorlon
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« on: September 21, 2010, 10:44:04 AM »
« edited: September 21, 2010, 01:52:04 PM by The Vorlon »

Manchin has 59/32 approvals. Are WVans that hackish that they'd vote for Raese?

Sometimes a guy just gets drowned by a wave.

Lincoln Chaffee lost his senate seat in an anti-bush wave when he had (according to the exits polls) a 61% job approval rating.

I also have a suspicion that some of the PPP polls are getting juiced as a dailykos tool to try to wind up the Dem base and help narrow the enthusiasm gap.

PPP saying the Dem would be +6 if it were 2008 is consistent with Rasmussen's +7 (Rassy tends to model the last election pretty heavy in to the next election which explains the similarity)

All that being said...

One poll, is, well, one poll.

Lets see a few more before we make any assumptions.

As an aside..

This traditional vote division is exacerbated by a 10-point pro-Republican enthusiasm gap. John McCain won the state by 13 points in 2008, but West Virginians who plan to vote this year report casting ballots for McCain by 23 points over President Obama—

This is a truly bad question to use in a poll.... this type of question just simply does not work, when an incumbent is hugely popular, far more people "voted" for him/her than actually voted for them when you do a poll, and the opposite is also true.

In 1972 Richard Nixon got 60% of the vote, yet in 1974 post Watergate polling, apparently he "lost" the election something like 48-52 when they asked people who they voted for....  I suspect we have much of the same thing happening here.
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2010, 10:54:42 AM »

Has there ever been a poll question that asked WV folks:

Would you prefer Gov. Manchin to stay as governor or prefer that he´s running for Senate ?

Maybe folks are just happy with him as Governor and send him a signal that a federal office is not what they want.

Anyway, what happens if Manchin is defeated ? Is he still governor or does there have to be a special election to replace him ?

The GOP has actually, quietly, been doing that exact same thing, as posted here....

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=123851.0
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2010, 02:41:30 PM »
« Edited: September 21, 2010, 07:01:14 PM by The Vorlon »

So who is right? Rasmussen or PPP? It's interesting that both of the have put out different results, Rasmussen even moved it from toss-up to Lean Dem. 10% undecideds can go either way here, since there is no incumbent. I still say Manchin wins.

If I were to bet, I'd bet on Rasmussen.

In a likely voter screen most pollsters try to gauge two criteria - one is past voting behavior, the other is how "enthusiastic" a vote is about this election, depending on the pollster the mix of the two criteria varies.

PPP's turnout model is more based upon "enthusiasm" (ie a 2008 scenario) while Rasmussen's is more based upon past behavior, and I think the GOP base has (atypically) energized early this year, hence the exaggerated GOP results in PPP's polls of West Virginia, and also (IMHO) Wisconsin.

The White House, The Dems, the parts of the media friendly to the Dems/hostile to the GOP will all be trying to whip up fear the next 6 weeks, and to the extent they are effective, I suspect the enthusiasm gap will close a bit.
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2010, 09:18:18 AM »
« Edited: September 22, 2010, 09:23:47 AM by The Vorlon »

Those 59% approvals are much lower than we've seen for Manchin as of late. If they're truly accurate, well ... you know why Raese hopped into the lead in this poll.
PPP always shows lower approval ratings than almost anybody else for Senators and Governors.

Job approval generally correlates pretty well with elect-ability, but there have been some pretty amazing exceptions.

Grey Davis got re-elected Governor of California with an approval rating in the 30s (I forget the name, but the GOP's best candidate (Mayor of LA) got "tea-partied" by some very conservative primary opponent)

At the other end of the spectrum, George W. beat Ann Richards for the Texas Governorship when she had approvals in the mid 60s.
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2010, 09:25:12 AM »

Those 59% approvals are much lower than we've seen for Manchin as of late. If they're truly accurate, well ... you know why Raese hopped into the lead in this poll.
PPP always shows lower approval ratings than almost anybody else for Senators and Governors.

Job approval generally correlates pretty well with elect-ability, but there have been some pretty amazing exceptions.

Grey Davis got re-elected Governor of California with an approval rating in the 30s (I forget the name, but the GOP ran some total loon against him)

Like Reid-Angle in NV then?

In Nevada and Illinois one of the candidates in each state will win and become a senator - Just learn to accept it.

The system is flawed, but we do the best we can.
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