Opinion of Laki

[Anti-Trump Truth Socialite JD Vance Enjoying Juror]

The big reasons for why I said what i've said on october 7th

1. I wasn't fully aware of what happened. And civilian casualties often are a side-effect of war. That's just inevitable at war, the most important thing is to prevent war. I had a hard time believing that civilians were deliberately targetted (and still am). However regardless of whether it was deliberate or not, it is of course still wrong. But the mood of the thread was the assumption that it was deliberate. The party for instance I believe was just something of the "wrong place at the wrong moment".

Perfect example of why I voted HP right here. It's been over a month and you still can't admit that the blatant attack on civilians was an attack on civilians. It was overwhelmingly obvious from the moment the attack started. Being in the wrong place at the wrong time is a believable explanation for somebody getting hit in the head with a frisbee, not for hundreds of people being massacred at a concert.

[Anti-Trump Truth Socialite JD Vance Enjoying Juror]

The big reasons for why I said what i've said on october 7th

1. I wasn't fully aware of what happened. And civilian casualties often are a side-effect of war. That's just inevitable at war, the most important thing is to prevent war. I had a hard time believing that civilians were deliberately targetted (and still am). However regardless of whether it was deliberate or not, it is of course still wrong. But the mood of the thread was the assumption that it was deliberate. The party for instance I believe was just something of the "wrong place at the wrong moment".

Perfect example of why I voted HP right here. It's been over a month and you still can't admit that the blatant attack on civilians was an attack on civilians. It was overwhelmingly obvious from the moment the attack started. Being in the wrong place at the wrong time is a believable explanation for somebody getting hit in the head with a frisbee, not for hundreds of people being massacred at a concert.

It was an attack on Israël. It wasn't an attack on civilians.

Sure attacking Israël doesn't make it 'better'. I already apologized for it. But it wasn't an attack on civilians. War was declared on the state of Israël.

How is attacking a concert not an attack on civilians? Are you out of your mind?

[Anti-Trump Truth Socialite JD Vance Enjoying Juror]

The big reasons for why I said what i've said on october 7th

1. I wasn't fully aware of what happened. And civilian casualties often are a side-effect of war. That's just inevitable at war, the most important thing is to prevent war. I had a hard time believing that civilians were deliberately targetted (and still am). However regardless of whether it was deliberate or not, it is of course still wrong. But the mood of the thread was the assumption that it was deliberate. The party for instance I believe was just something of the "wrong place at the wrong moment".

Perfect example of why I voted HP right here. It's been over a month and you still can't admit that the blatant attack on civilians was an attack on civilians. It was overwhelmingly obvious from the moment the attack started. Being in the wrong place at the wrong time is a believable explanation for somebody getting hit in the head with a frisbee, not for hundreds of people being massacred at a concert.

It was an attack on Israël. It wasn't an attack on civilians.

Sure attacking Israël doesn't make it 'better'. I already apologized for it. But it wasn't an attack on civilians. War was declared on the state of Israël.

How is attacking a concert not an attack on civilians you lunatic??

Because that was not the war goal. I doubt they were even aware of the fact that there was a concert ongoing. It took place literally on the border with Gaza. Some analysts said repeatedly that even Hamas was surprised by the initial success they had and that they were able to push into Israël. Everyone with some brains know that this wasn't going to cause any gains for them.

The wrongdoing is that they didn't leave them alone (and try to ignore them), but I have an incredible hard time believing it was a deliberate target of the operation. I hope you understand that.

I don't understand that, because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Whether the militants planned to attack the concert a year before it happened or decided to do so ten minutes before when they realized it was happening is irrelevant. They could have simply not massacred hundreds of civilians at a concert. Are you alleging that Hamas is too stupid to know what a concert is, or the difference between an unarmed crowd and an IDF battalion?

Even setting the concert itself aside, there were massacres in several Israeli towns, even in places without substantial IDF presence. How in the world is that not an attack on civilians?

[Anti-Trump Truth Socialite JD Vance Enjoying Juror]

The big reasons for why I said what i've said on october 7th

1. I wasn't fully aware of what happened. And civilian casualties often are a side-effect of war. That's just inevitable at war, the most important thing is to prevent war. I had a hard time believing that civilians were deliberately targetted (and still am). However regardless of whether it was deliberate or not, it is of course still wrong. But the mood of the thread was the assumption that it was deliberate. The party for instance I believe was just something of the "wrong place at the wrong moment".

Perfect example of why I voted HP right here. It's been over a month and you still can't admit that the blatant attack on civilians was an attack on civilians. It was overwhelmingly obvious from the moment the attack started. Being in the wrong place at the wrong time is a believable explanation for somebody getting hit in the head with a frisbee, not for hundreds of people being massacred at a concert.

It was an attack on Israël. It wasn't an attack on civilians.

Sure attacking Israël doesn't make it 'better'. I already apologized for it. But it wasn't an attack on civilians. War was declared on the state of Israël.

How is attacking a concert not an attack on civilians you lunatic??

Because that was not the war goal. I doubt they were even aware of the fact that there was a concert ongoing. It took place literally on the border with Gaza. Some analysts said repeatedly that even Hamas was surprised by the initial success they had and that they were able to push into Israël. Everyone with some brains know that this wasn't going to cause any gains for them.

The wrongdoing is that they didn't leave them alone (and try to ignore them), but I have an incredible hard time believing it was a deliberate target of the operation. I hope you understand that.

I don't understand that, because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Whether the militants planned to attack the concert a year before it happened or decided to do so ten minutes before when they realized it was happening is irrelevant. They could have simply not massacred hundreds of civilians at a concert. Are you alleging that Hamas is too stupid to know what a concert is, or the difference between an unarmed crowd and an IDF battalion?

Even setting the concert itself aside, there were massacres in several Israeli towns, even in places without substantial IDF presence. How in the world is that not an attack on civilians?

Do you consider the Israeli air strikes in Gaza an attack on civilians?

If you can find an example of an Israeli strike in Gaza which intentionally hit a purely civilian target, killing civilians, then yes, I would call such a strike an attack on civilians. I never claimed that Israel has done no wrong.

I fail to see how that is relevant in any way to your refusal to admit that Hamas committed attacks on civilians. Whether or not other armed groups have attacked civilians at other times has no bearing on whether Hamas' actions on October 7 constituted an attack on civilians. No amount of back and forth is going to change the fact that Hamas committed an unjustifiable terrorist attack against hundreds of Israeli and foreign civilians on October 7, and refusal to admit it as such is frankly a damning indictment of your character.

[Anti-Trump Truth Socialite JD Vance Enjoying Juror]

The big reasons for why I said what i've said on october 7th

1. I wasn't fully aware of what happened. And civilian casualties often are a side-effect of war. That's just inevitable at war, the most important thing is to prevent war. I had a hard time believing that civilians were deliberately targetted (and still am). However regardless of whether it was deliberate or not, it is of course still wrong. But the mood of the thread was the assumption that it was deliberate. The party for instance I believe was just something of the "wrong place at the wrong moment".

Perfect example of why I voted HP right here. It's been over a month and you still can't admit that the blatant attack on civilians was an attack on civilians. It was overwhelmingly obvious from the moment the attack started. Being in the wrong place at the wrong time is a believable explanation for somebody getting hit in the head with a frisbee, not for hundreds of people being massacred at a concert.

It was an attack on Israël. It wasn't an attack on civilians.

Sure attacking Israël doesn't make it 'better'. I already apologized for it. But it wasn't an attack on civilians. War was declared on the state of Israël.

How is attacking a concert not an attack on civilians you lunatic??

Because that was not the war goal. I doubt they were even aware of the fact that there was a concert ongoing. It took place literally on the border with Gaza. Some analysts said repeatedly that even Hamas was surprised by the initial success they had and that they were able to push into Israël. Everyone with some brains know that this wasn't going to cause any gains for them.

The wrongdoing is that they didn't leave them alone (and try to ignore them), but I have an incredible hard time believing it was a deliberate target of the operation. I hope you understand that.

I don't understand that, because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Whether the militants planned to attack the concert a year before it happened or decided to do so ten minutes before when they realized it was happening is irrelevant. They could have simply not massacred hundreds of civilians at a concert. Are you alleging that Hamas is too stupid to know what a concert is, or the difference between an unarmed crowd and an IDF battalion?

Even setting the concert itself aside, there were massacres in several Israeli towns, even in places without substantial IDF presence. How in the world is that not an attack on civilians?

Do you consider the Israeli air strikes in Gaza an attack on civilians?

If you can find an example of an Israeli strike in Gaza which intentionally hit a purely civilian target, killing civilians, then yes, I would call such a strike an attack on civilians.

I fail to see how this is relevant in any way to your refusal to admit that Hamas committed attacks on civilians. Whether or not other armed groups have attacked civilians at other times has no bearing whatsoever on whether Hamas' actions on October 7 constitute an attack on civilians. No amount of back and forth is going to change the fact that the Hamas committed an unjustifiable terrorist attack against hundreds of Israeli and foreign civilians on October 7, and refusal to admit it as such is frankly a damning indictment of your character.

How is an ambulance not a civilian target? How is a hospital not a civilian target?

When did I say that they weren't? What are you even talking about?

[Anti-Trump Truth Socialite JD Vance Enjoying Juror]

Do you consider the Israeli air strikes in Gaza an attack on civilians?

If you can find an example of an Israeli strike in Gaza which intentionally hit a purely civilian target, killing civilians, then yes, I would call such a strike an attack on civilians.

I fail to see how this is relevant in any way to your refusal to admit that Hamas committed attacks on civilians. Whether or not other armed groups have attacked civilians at other times has no bearing whatsoever on whether Hamas' actions on October 7 constitute an attack on civilians. No amount of back and forth is going to change the fact that the Hamas committed an unjustifiable terrorist attack against hundreds of Israeli and foreign civilians on October 7, and refusal to admit it as such is frankly a damning indictment of your character.

How is an ambulance not a civilian target? How is a hospital not a civilian target?

When did I say that they weren't? What are you even talking about?

Are you even aware of the strikes Israel has done?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/20/destruction-chased-them-funeral-held-for-those-killed-in-gaza-church-airstrike

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_ambulance_airstrike

Yes Einstein, I am fully aware that Israel has conducted airstrikes which have hit civilian targets before. If you would refer back to the bolded line above, you'll see that I had no problem characterizing such a strike as an "attack on civilians."

None of this is relevant to your refusal to admit that Hamas' actions on October 7 were an attack on civilians. Israel blowing up an ambulance doesn't somehow make massacring hundreds at a concert not an attack on civilians.

I feel that I've done more than enough to make my point here. Enjoy your evening.