Who should resign in Canada over the Waffen SS standing ovation?

[Anti-Trump Truth Socialite JD Vance Enjoying Juror]

Stop embarrassing yourself by attempting to defend honoring literal Nazis, good lord. We aren't talking about some poor German conscript here, the guy willingly chose to join the SS.

[Anti-Trump Truth Socialite JD Vance Enjoying Juror]

Stop embarrassing yourself by attempting to defend honoring literal Nazis, good lord. We aren't talking about some poor German conscript here, the guy willingly chose to join the SS.

Stop embarrassing yourself by expressing ignorant simple binaries. Again, I've explained the complicated situation, if you feel the need to feel morally superior, go ahead, but you're not.

Not embarrassed at all actually, but thank you for your concern.

I am, in fact, morally superior to SS grandpa here, and I say that without having any high opinion of my own morality. I say it with absolute confidence and no shame whatsoever. I have never raped or murdered civilians in Eastern Europe nor sent Jews away to be mass-murdered in the Holocaust, so I feel perfectly comfortable in that assertion. No amount of faux-intellectual rambling is going to change the fact that this guy willingly chose to join the SS, and that the SS is responsible for the actions which have quite literally defined the concept of "crimes against humanity".

[Anti-Trump Truth Socialite JD Vance Enjoying Juror]

Stop embarrassing yourself by attempting to defend honoring literal Nazis, good lord. We aren't talking about some poor German conscript here, the guy willingly chose to join the SS.

Stop embarrassing yourself by expressing ignorant simple binaries. Again, I've explained the complicated situation, if you feel the need to feel morally superior, go ahead, but you're not.

Not embarrassed at all actually, but thank you for your concern.

I am, in fact, morally superior to SS grandpa here, and I say that without having any high opinion of my own morality. I have never raped or murdered civilians in Eastern Europe nor sent Jews away to be mass-murdered in the Holocaust, so I feel perfectly comfortable in that assertion. No amount of faux-intellectual rambling is going to change the fact that this guy willingly chose to join the SS, and that the SS is responsible for disgustingly immoral actions.

Read the whole thread before commenting, I have nothing to add. It isn't known for certain what Hunka did and there is no claim that he participated in the Holocaust.

We are also going down a dark road when rejecting binary thinking is called 'faux intellectual rambling.'

Whether I'm being faux intellectual or not does not excuse mindless binaries.

Idiocracy here we come...

Declaring that any statement which imparts a moral judgement on an action is "mindless binary thinking" is its own form of mindless thinking. Not everything is black and white, but not everything is completely grey either. Morality may be non-binary and fuzzy, but not so fuzzy that the guys who committed some of the worst atrocities in recorded history can be let off with a shrug and an "it was complicated".

Also congrats on coming up with the worst invocation of "Idiocracy" I've ever read. "Idiocracy is when people think the perpetrators of the Holocaust are bad" is one I've never seen before!

[Anti-Trump Truth Socialite JD Vance Enjoying Juror]

Stop embarrassing yourself by attempting to defend honoring literal Nazis, good lord. We aren't talking about some poor German conscript here, the guy willingly chose to join the SS.

Stop embarrassing yourself by expressing ignorant simple binaries. Again, I've explained the complicated situation, if you feel the need to feel morally superior, go ahead, but you're not.

Not embarrassed at all actually, but thank you for your concern.

I am, in fact, morally superior to SS grandpa here, and I say that without having any high opinion of my own morality. I have never raped or murdered civilians in Eastern Europe nor sent Jews away to be mass-murdered in the Holocaust, so I feel perfectly comfortable in that assertion. No amount of faux-intellectual rambling is going to change the fact that this guy willingly chose to join the SS, and that the SS is responsible for disgustingly immoral actions.

Read the whole thread before commenting, I have nothing to add. It isn't known for certain what Hunka did and there is no claim that he participated in the Holocaust.

We are also going down a dark road when rejecting binary thinking is called 'faux intellectual rambling.'

Whether I'm being faux intellectual or not does not excuse mindless binaries.

Idiocracy here we come...

Declaring that any statement which imparts a moral judgement on an action is "mindless binary thinking" is its own form of mindless thinking. Not everything is black and white, but not everything is completely grey either. Morality may be non-binary and fuzzy, but not so fuzzy that the guys who committed some of the worst atrocities in recorded history can be let off with a shrug and an "it was complicated".

Also congrats on coming up with the worst invocation of "Idiocracy" I've ever read. "Idiocracy is when people think the perpetrators of the Holocaust are bad" is one I've never seen before!

So, to Ukrainians the person who murdered up to 5 million of them just 10 years prior was supposed to be now considered good?

No. I don't see how that's relevant though, because nobody in this thread has said or even implied that. It is possible to think that Stalin is bad without joining the SS.

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I could just as easily argue given what you're argying "Idiocracy is when people think the perpetrators of the Holodomor are bad" except that's essentially what you are saying.

I can't even understand what this nonsense is supposed to mean. I never said the perpetrators of the Holomodor weren't bad. Thinking that Nazi war crimes were bad doesn't somehow mean that I think Soviet war crimes were good. This sentence reads like it was written by someone who recently suffered a head injury.

[Anti-Trump Truth Socialite JD Vance Enjoying Juror]

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So, to Ukrainians the person who murdered up to 5 million of them just 10 years prior was supposed to be now considered good?

No. I don't see how that's relevant though, because nobody in this thread has said or even implied that. It is possible to think that Stalin is bad without joining the SS.

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I could just as easily argue given what you're argying "Idiocracy is when people think the perpetrators of the Holodomor are bad" except that's essentially what you are saying.

I can't even understand what this nonsense is supposed to mean. I never said the perpetrators of the Holomodor weren't bad. Thinking that Nazi war crimes were bad doesn't somehow mean that I think Soviet war crimes were good. This sentence reads like it was written by someone who recently suffered a head injury.

Can you even make a comment without an insult?

I don't really care it just provides more evidence to me that you're not very intelligent.

In regards to the Holodomor, the point I was making (which I thought was obvious, but obviously not to you) is that a Ukrainian in Ukraine or eastern Poland might have been more concerned about that in 1943 than in the Holocaust or in any of the other atrocities committed by the Nazis that they may not even have been aware of.

As I said above, most people are generally self interested, so it wouldn't surprise me if he'd put the concern of Ukrainians ahead of all else, and I don't think a person should be condemned for doing that.

Let's be clear here: most Americans were aware of the Holocaust during World War II and didn't care about it much either.

Being called unintelligent by you is practically a compliment.

Your point was neither obvious nor relevant. You claimed that I was "basically saying" that "Idiocracy is when people think the perpetrators of the Holodomor are bad". I made no such argument at any point. The failure of logic comes, I believe, from the knee-jerk nature of the response. Ironically enough, it is also a real example of the "binary thinking" you oppose. My claiming that your argument was bad does not mean that I was asserting the exact opposite claim. Your argument does not serve as a counter to the point I made, precisely because it is possible to think that the Holomodor and the Holocaust are both bad things. I think the Holomodor and the Holocaust were both bad things. They are not mutually exclusive.

Even if Ukrainians cared more about the Holomodor than the Holocaust, that doesn't justify taking a part in the Holocaust. The notion that SS members didn't know about Nazi war crimes is absurd. I've heard about the "clean Wehrmacht", but the "clean SS" is a kind of pseudohistory I haven't encountered before. Even operating under the (to be clear, completely false) assumption that gramps here didn't know what the SS was doing when he joined, he certainly knew what they did by the end of the war and the years following. The event honoring his "service" took place in 2023. He's had 80 years to learn what his comrades in the SS were doing, even if he somehow didn't know at the time.

People are self-interested, yes. But selfishness is not something to be commended, especially not when it leads to the deaths of millions! A person should absolutely be condemned for putting their concerns ahead of all else when doing so has such dire consequences. To say otherwise is insanity.
Consider the much more minor case of a robber who, in the course of a robbery, shoots and kills his target. The robber is poor and the ultimate root of his criminality is a perfectly rational selfish interest in improving his status. All he was doing was putting his own concerns ahead of those of the man he shot. Should he not be condemned?

Even if I were to accept that the American public knew about the full-extent of Nazi war crimes and didn't care, there is a massive difference between merely "not caring" about the Nazis' war crimes and actively perpetrating them.

The futility of continuing to explain this has surpassed the dissatisfaction involved in leaving a reply unanswered, so I'll be dropping this thread regardless of whether there is another response. Have a lovely evening.