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Brittain33
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« on: May 03, 2024, 07:15:34 PM »

Atheists backing Palestine. Interesting.

Atheism is a proxy for youth
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2024, 08:35:10 PM »


FYI, this sounds like a white Republican cheering on Candace Owens as his home girl.
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2024, 09:49:20 PM »

On the contrary, I've been thinking that a lot of these pro-Palestine "Jews" are not actually Jewish.  I am assuming that the responders to these polls self-identify.  Then, I have found that a lot of people with Jewish "ancestry" consider themselves Jewish, even if they have never participated in a Jewish ceremony, and have no Jewish education whatsoever.  I have also found that a lot of people who claim that they are Jewish actually have a (usually non-observant) Jewish father but a non-Jewish mother, which makes them non-Jewish (unless they are actively practicing Reform Judaism; even then, most non-Reform Jews would still not consider them Jewish).  Or even just a Jewish paternal grandfather, because their last name is Jewish.  I have found that a lot of such people, because of a lack of Jewish - or any religious education - oppose Israel, because reasons.

Then there are the several thousand Satmar Chassids in the USA, who are an entirely different matter.

So who gets to decide which jewish people aren't "real" jews? Just curious.

Since you liked his post saying that the 18% of Jews are real ones, can we assume you're Jewish? I missed if this has been discussed before.
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2024, 06:58:03 AM »

On the contrary, I've been thinking that a lot of these pro-Palestine "Jews" are not actually Jewish.  I am assuming that the responders to these polls self-identify.  Then, I have found that a lot of people with Jewish "ancestry" consider themselves Jewish, even if they have never participated in a Jewish ceremony, and have no Jewish education whatsoever.  I have also found that a lot of people who claim that they are Jewish actually have a (usually non-observant) Jewish father but a non-Jewish mother, which makes them non-Jewish (unless they are actively practicing Reform Judaism; even then, most non-Reform Jews would still not consider them Jewish).  Or even just a Jewish paternal grandfather, because their last name is Jewish.  I have found that a lot of such people, because of a lack of Jewish - or any religious education - oppose Israel, because reasons.

Then there are the several thousand Satmar Chassids in the USA, who are an entirely different matter.

So who gets to decide which jewish people aren't "real" jews? Just curious.

To the Zionists, anyone that dares to criticize the state of Israel. Israel is off-limits in American political discourse, as you'd be label an antisemite by the people backing the genocide in Gaza. Even when the person in question doing the criticism is Jewish.


There’s no genocide in Gaza. It’s an ugly and regrettable urban war.
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2024, 09:17:04 AM »


People forget the vast majority of Jewish people oppose Zionism through much of the 20th century.

You raise an interesting point here which is that people are still debating Zionism like it's the 1920s and it's a theory instead of the reality, which is that any early ideas about it were swamped by the unwilling arrival of millions of Jews who were ethnically cleansed from their homes in the Arab world, Iran, and Eastern Europe without ever advocating for Zionism. And now Israel is the only home they and their children and grandchildren have, and people are still debating old ideas like Max Nordau is directing the IDF and that's who matters.

Perhaps make a better effort to understand the perspective of an Israeli Jew whose grandparents were living peacefully in Baghdad, Yemen, Egypt, Algeria until the state or their neighbors showed up with a gun and took away everything they owned, including their homes. Do you think they feel like colonizers? Do you thing calling them white supremacists and glibly ordering them to "go home to Brooklyn" makes them seek peace and accommodation? 
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