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Brittain33
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« on: December 04, 2012, 09:40:25 AM »
« edited: December 04, 2012, 09:45:55 AM by Gravis Marketing »

(the Pubs at least made a serious offer - 800 billion in more revenue in exchange for cuts in entitlements in some unspecified amount),

Their offer was sheer nonsense. They said they were willing to take $800 billion in more revenue with lower tax rates and magical deduction closings and dynamic scoring that would somehow generate more money in a way no one can document. It's Laffer Curve magical thinking, not a concession.

Obama's offer was his bargaining position, not a compromise. They will have to work out a compromise behind closed doors, as we said. But Obama has tried bargaining with himself first in the past, putting forth 50% compromises, only to have Republicans hold out for 80% or 90% compromises. He's doing the right thing now by sticking to his guns, which will force the House Republicans to take him seriously. I wouldn't expect Republicans to see it as acceptable, but that's why your side has to be willing to make some real concessions in order to trade for our side to make real concessions. It's not a hostage situation any more, it's a negotiation, and one where the outcome favors Obama. It may be tough for the Tea Party caucus to accept, they value their purity and will primary any Republican who compromises, but we're not playing games any more, this is real. Dems have principles too.

The fact that Republicans campaigned on their plans for the budget, and lost, and lost HARD (including in the national House vote total), matters for what the outcome should be.
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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2012, 09:42:17 AM »
« Edited: December 04, 2012, 10:16:16 AM by Gravis Marketing »

Oh, Obama will fold rather than have 30% of the government shut down. And I don't see why that would be bad for business actually, at least in the short term.

You and Fred Barnes are literally the only people I have seen who think that Dems would be hurt worse by the fiscal cliff than Republicans.

Even the Heritage Foundation called Boehner's offer a "dud."

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/heritage-experts-call-gop-counter-offer-dud

"[T]he Republican counteroffer, to the extent it can be interpreted from the hazy details now available, is a dud. It is utterly unacceptable. It is bad policy, bad economics, and, if we may say so, highly questionable as a negotiating tactic."
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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2012, 11:11:09 AM »

Anyway, my anger is more animated by team Obama ignoring the entitlements issue. That is just disgraceful.

Obamacare tried to engage with rising costs in Medicare. Their response was a massive Republican ad campaign in 2010 slamming Democrats for cutting Medicare, which helped the Republicans take back the House and pick up a slew of Senate seats. Not surprisingly, since he's willing to grasp the nettle of raising taxes, he's right to ask Republicans to match him by suggesting entitlement cuts, and on the record. The Republicans have zero credibility with Obama and the country to ask him to go first on entitlements after their behavior the last time he tried to keep costs under control for the good of the country.
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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2012, 11:47:45 AM »
« Edited: December 04, 2012, 11:52:06 AM by Gravis Marketing »

If Obamacare intended to cut the costs of entitlements, in this case medical services, then it is even more of a massive failure than I thought. We just have different views of history I guess. But having said that, yes the Pubs demagogued the issue. And to the extent Obamacare really leads to death panels, that is one of its few virtues actually. Trying to cleanse the most soiled hands of either party on this issue set, is even more futile than cleansing Lady Macbeth's damn spot from her sanguinary hand.

Meet the IPAB. It was created by Obamacare to control costs and is under threat by Republicans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Payment_Advisory_Board
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