arkansas

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Probably because he's a black liberal. The only democrats ever to win Arkansas were conservative ones anyway...

Roosevelt?  Stevenson?  Kennedy?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Well, let's compare Virginia and North Carolina (just for fun):





How much did he spend in the two states?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Well, let's compare Virginia and North Carolina (just for fun):





How much did he spend in the two states?

and what purpose does that comparison serve?

It's in regards to the money argument.  Obama spent a fair amount of money in both VA and NC, but none in AR.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Does anyone know of a site where we can find out how much Obama spent per state?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

Which was also my point.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Well, let's compare Virginia and North Carolina (just for fun):





How much did he spend in the two states?

Here's Georgia, too:

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

Like Meeker said, that ignores some very important pieces of information.  As I've said, it is important to remember that Obama basically lived in places like VA, NC, OH, etc., while he barely ever visited AR.  It makes a huge difference.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

Like Meeker said, that ignores some very important pieces of information.  As I've said, it is important to remember that Obama basically lived in places like VA, NC, OH, etc., while he barely ever visited AR.  It makes a huge difference.

Obama did that because them states were polling close to start with, AR was never close. If obama ran ads and went to AR he may( and that is a big MAY) have kept McCain MOV to 10%.

So then why aren't you calling Utah racist?  Because Obama didn't really do anything there, and got crushed.  Your argument makes no sense to me.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

Like Meeker said, that ignores some very important pieces of information.  As I've said, it is important to remember that Obama basically lived in places like VA, NC, OH, etc., while he barely ever visited AR.  It makes a huge difference.

Obama did that because them states were polling close to start with, AR was never close. If obama ran ads and went to AR he may( and that is a big MAY) have kept McCain MOV to 10%.

So then why aren't you calling Utah racist?  Because Obama didn't really do anything there, and got crushed.  Your argument makes no sense to me.

UT trended left, unlike AR which trended strongly to the right. Also Democrat always get killed in UT. AR is a democratic friendly state.

AR is only friendly when a native son (or adopted daughter) is on the ticket.  Kerry lost badly, so did Gore.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Remember, Dukakis lost by 15.  Arkansas is trending rightward, and having a nominee who is fairly liberal and spent no money or time there didn't help.  You want to see racism, so you can pound your chest and say you're better than them.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

Like Meeker said, that ignores some very important pieces of information.  As I've said, it is important to remember that Obama basically lived in places like VA, NC, OH, etc., while he barely ever visited AR.  It makes a huge difference.

Obama did that because them states were polling close to start with, AR was never close. If obama ran ads and went to AR he may( and that is a big MAY) have kept McCain MOV to 10%.

So then why aren't you calling Utah racist?  Because Obama didn't really do anything there, and got crushed.  Your argument makes no sense to me.

UT trended left, unlike AR which trended strongly to the right. Also Democrat always get killed in UT. AR is a democratic friendly state.

AR is only friendly when a native son (or adopted daughter) is on the ticket.  Kerry lost badly, so did Gore.

Check out 1976.

Carter was from Georgia.  Check out 1968, 1972, and 1984.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

ben, what makes you think it's not racism?

I do think there's a little bit of racism involved, but no more than 1-2%.  I think a lot of it has to do with an overall trend rightward amongst Arkansans, the fact that Obama is pretty liberal, spent no money or time on the state, and that there was nobody to contradict the lies that were spread without Obama.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

ben, what makes you think it's not racism?

I do think there's a little bit of racism involved, but no more than 1-2%.  I think a lot of it has to do with an overall trend rightward amongst Arkansans, the fact that Obama is pretty liberal, spent no money or time on the state, and that there was nobody to contradict the lies that were spread without Obama.

Everything you said was right, but the percent that racism cost Obama. I believe if Obama wasn't black he would have lost by 10% or 11%.

Yeah, and I think that if the only difference was his race, he'd have lost by 15-16%.