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Orser67
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« on: June 15, 2020, 11:52:32 AM »

It's kind of hard to be an "INO" president, since the president is generally very important in defining what the party stands for. The one president who really stands out to me is Carter, who had relatively little influence in Congress, was a bit to the right of the national Democratic Party, and who came reasonably close to losing re-nomination.

Going back further in history, Zachary Taylor and William Henry Harrison were WINOs, and Rutherford B. Hayes was a bit of a RINO.
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Orser67
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2020, 09:11:48 AM »
« Edited: June 16, 2020, 09:17:39 AM by Orser67 »

Going back further in history, Zachary Taylor and William Henry Harrison were WINOs, and Rutherford B. Hayes was a bit of a RINO.
How were Taylor and Harrison WINOs? I know that John Tyler was a WINO and I guess Hayes was a RINO on reconstruction.

Taylor and Harrison were both random generals with little connection or belief in the Whig economic program, which more or less corresponded to Henry Clay's American System. In both cases, they won election through campaigns that depended largely on their personality and military background rather than on Whig policies.

Harrison as a president is pretty much impossible to evaluate for obvious reasons, and imo he probably wasn't quite as much of a WINO as Taylor. Taylor only reluctantly declared himself as a Whig in the 1848 election, did pretty much nothing to advance long-standing Whig priorities, and basically attempted to remake the party in, to use Atlas parlance, his "moderate hero" image.

John Tyler was even more so, and ironically the most Whig of all of them (Fillmore), ended up being seen as a traitor to a large segment of the party and helped to bring about its collapse. He also destroyed the American Know-Nothing Party, by splitting it on regional lines and driving its Northern wing into the Republican Party.

Yeah, although the latter's status is somewhat complicated by the dynamics of the 1864 election, I tend to view Tyler and Andrew Johnson as the two independent presidents in U.S. history (you could also throw in Washington, but he was sort of a quasi-Federalist, especially in his second term). So I suppose you could say that they were such INOs that they got kicked out of their respective parties.

As for Fillmore, he certainly wasn't a great president, but I'm not sure if anyone could have done better in his place, particularly in the 1856 election.
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Orser67
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2020, 11:41:33 PM »

It's kind of hard to be an "INO" president, since the president is generally very important in defining what the party stands for. The one president who really stands out to me is Carter, who had relatively little influence in Congress, was a bit to the right of the national Democratic Party, and who came reasonably close to losing re-nomination.

Going back further in history, Zachary Taylor and William Henry Harrison were WINOs, and Rutherford B. Hayes was a bit of a RINO.

How so with regards to Hayes?

Reconstruction and appointments are the big two. Hayes had a sort of proto-lily white strategy that include the appointment of a former Confederate as Postmaster General. He also appointed former Mugwump Carl Schurz as Secretary of Interior, emphasized civil service reform, and generally clashed with party bosses over presidential power.

I don't think he's on the level of Zachary Taylor, much less Andrew Johnson, but I think it would probably be fair to say that he was the Gilded Age president with the most differences from the party that elected him.
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Orser67
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2020, 01:42:13 PM »

If the term had existed back then, Eisenhower would most definitely have been called a RINO, as Taft and the conservative wing of the Republican Party absolutely despised his moderate-to-liberal policies. Furthermore, Eisenhower wasn't really a member of either party before he ran in 1952, and there were many Democrats - notably left-wing senator Claude Pepper - who supported a "draft Eisenhower" movement encouraging the General to run for the Democratic nomination.

All true, but I'd note that:

a)Eisenhower actually was pretty conservative on a personal level (his personal views weren't widely known at the time) and didn't care for the New Deal, so he was never a good fit for the Democratic Party
b)the moderate, internationalist wing of the Republican Party was pretty strong at the time, and Eisenhower did represent their views quite well
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Orser67
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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2020, 01:31:08 PM »

James Madison was definitely a DINO on the National Bank and tariffs.

Well, the better term is probably either DRINO or RINO ("Democrat" isn't a good term for his party; they were more commonly known as the Republicans at the time or as the Democratic-Republicans today). But yeah, a lot of people in Madison's party, e.g. John Randolph, held that view at the time.
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