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Marokai Backbeat
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« on: June 06, 2013, 03:16:47 AM »

I know the common response to this idea has always been "well, it's not a big deal to get someone to sponsor it, so why is this necessary?" I would say that's exactly why it shouldn't be that big of a deal to give the President this power.

This Amendment does little more than remove a bothersome procedural hump, really, and encourages Presidents to introduce their own agendas, straight from the executive's mouth. It doesn't grant the President any sort of voting ability, or in any other way unfairly tilts the odds in the executive's favor, but merely allows the President to easily and swiftly introduce bills of his own accord, wasting as little time as possible in the process.

INTERROGATE ME AS YOU PLEASE, YANKEE.
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2013, 09:31:00 PM »

The reason the line is stated, is because you are asking us to eliminate a barrier between the Executive and Legislative branches, a change that would be only considered if it were of the utmost practical necessity and this doesn't appear to be so. Therefore I would state that unless a case can be made as to the inability of the President to get his legislation introduced in the Senate, it should therefore not be adopted.

And if I could prove that was the case, would you not immediately turn it around and claim I was trying to unfairly overrule checks and balances? Tongue

It is not necessarily fair to act as if this is an unprecedented and damaging overreach of powers; the Mideast region, of all places, allows the regional executive(s) to introduce legislation for consideration by the regional Assembly. This is done to speed the process and has had no negative affects as far as I can tell.

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This could be easily solved by including relevant amendments to this proposal that would consider the President as under the Senate's rulemaking jurisdiction when it comes to introducing bills.
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Marokai Backbeat
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2013, 09:40:02 PM »

What negative impact has there been on the speed of the process from the current system? Did not all your posted garbage get introduced, like, ah immediately?

Most proposals in my current term have been introduced by friendly Senators, yes, although not all of them (the Anti-Pestering Act was not introduced for a very long time until X suddenly realized it was there) and many bills I've had to specifically ask Senators to introduce as I was writing them. However, during my Vice Presidential term in 2010, many proposals were not introduced, either at all, or were modified by the Senator that introduced them, over the Administration's wishes, and not given a fair debate.

Moreover, removing this procedural requirement eases the burden on my behalf in writing legislation in the first place. If I know I don't have to worry about "shopping" my proposals around in private as or after they are written, I'm more likely to just bang a proposal out in an evening and put it up, knowing that it's immediately in the queue with no fuss and no muss.
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2013, 09:57:00 PM »

You say you want "practical" benefits, but all of your objections are purely ideological or academic in nature.  If this would result in more legislation being written and debated, and more active Presidents proposing more bills, would that not be the only real thing that matters?
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