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Marokai Backbeat
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« on: January 26, 2012, 08:27:42 PM »

Aw....for a second I thought Santorum would be the sane one. Sad

Well that's just your fault. Tongue
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2012, 08:29:13 PM »

Santorum's views on Latin America disgust and offend me a hundred times more than anything he could ever say about sex. The fact that fascists like him can stand up and seriously spew this violent, anti-democratic garbage and receive applause is sickening.

Couldn't agree more.
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2012, 08:39:43 PM »

Santorum just did a Newt by attacking the moderator's question! And I agree: Attack Romney because he's wealthy due to his own work? Come off it! Since when is it bad to be a success and earn you're money? Everyone should be striving to be the 1%.

You are part of the problem. Romney does no "work."
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2012, 11:31:12 PM »

Well, the primary season's basically over then. America will have to choose between an upstanding leader who has tirelessly fought to undo the disasters of the Bush administration in Barack Obama, and a lying Mormon.

Too bad Obama made it worse.

False.

True. 

You made a empirical assertion that can be checked. Whether you like Obama or not, the economy is objectively not worse than it was when he took office (and is in fact, better). That is something that is observable. It is a fact.
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2012, 12:01:45 AM »

Well, the primary season's basically over then. America will have to choose between an upstanding leader who has tirelessly fought to undo the disasters of the Bush administration in Barack Obama, and a lying Mormon.

Too bad Obama made it worse.

False.

True. 

You made a empirical assertion that can be checked. Whether you like Obama or not, the economy is objectively not worse than it was when he took office (and is in fact, better). That is something that is observable. It is a fact.

Unless of course you think it would have been better, sooner without the actions that Obama has undertaken.

A forever untestable argument.
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2012, 12:28:03 AM »

Which is indeed the point. You make the case for it by picking apart each of the items Obama has signed and how it has hurt job creation or with vague generalities that are based in ideologically slanted interpretations. But a quick before and after snapshot to prove factual innaccuaracy isn't suffficient.

The era of objective 100% right or wrong is dead. A new age has begun based on principle and belief. The facts are servants to that priority. This new reality is a fact. You yourself acknowleged it last year during the debt ceiling debate in regards to the media.

There never was an era of objectivity, you're right that we now exist in a place where facts are twisted more than ever before, and that perception, primarily from the media, run politics. But this is not a good thing, in fact it's something to struggle against as much as possible, and there are still simple up or down facts.

One of those simple facts was all I argued in response to JJ. Whatever you think of this more academic argument we're having, or of Obama personally, the economy is not worse, and he did not make it worse. That itself is a fact and is all that matters in that specific point.
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