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Marokai Backbeat
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« on: March 24, 2010, 01:11:07 AM »

It's funny how Democratic hacks are so sure that the people will overwhelmingly support health care and the Democrats, while other hacks are so sure that November will be a landslide for the Republicans.

History typically shows that is the case for the first claim. The second is a baseless hope.

False equivalency must be fun.
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Marokai Backbeat
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2010, 01:12:33 AM »

It's funny how Democratic hacks are so sure that the people will overwhelmingly support health care and the Democrats, while other hacks are so sure that November will be a landslide for the Republicans.

History typically shows that is the case for the first claim. The second is a baseless hope.

False equivalency must be fun.

Actually, you have things reversed.

Prove it.
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Marokai Backbeat
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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2010, 01:19:37 AM »

It's funny how Democratic hacks are so sure that the people will overwhelmingly support health care and the Democrats, while other hacks are so sure that November will be a landslide for the Republicans.

History typically shows that is the case for the first claim. The second is a baseless hope.

False equivalency must be fun.

Actually, you have things reversed.

Prove it.

I've studied history. In school.

In almost every case concerning big healthcare changes, people turn around to support them. People bitched about Medicare, some called it the end of freedom as we know it, socialism, etc etc. It's now hugely popular. Massachusetts (for all the system's problems) has a system that a strong majority of people like. Medicare in Canada had a rocky and scary start, with massive doctor strikes and other stumbling blocks. Now everyone in Canada benefits from it and massively favor it over the system we use.

Already, public opinion changes every so slightly more and more in the positive column just a couple days after the bill's passage. In a month's time, people won't even know what they were freaked out about. In a year, two, three, most people wouldn't even entertain the thought of reversing the changes.

Similar scare tactics have been used for all sorts of things, that, once implemented, don't turn out to destroy the world and turn positively thought of. Contradicting these observable facts, clear as the sky is blue and just as easy to see, is asinine. More asinine is contradicting them without evidence.

As for losing seats, I know Democrats will lose seats. Obvious fact as things stand now. A Republican landslide however, is a fantasy. Nothing supports this conclusion except the hope of party leadership and fanatics of talk radio.

It's hard to contradict what is easily seen.
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Marokai Backbeat
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2010, 01:26:35 AM »

I'm very cynical about the intelligence of most Americans, so I would probably side with Marokai on this.

Oh I most definitely am as well. But it is historically (at least) the case that people tend to turn around in support of something big like this as time goes on. It's a combination of memory loss and the realization that it's not as bad as things seemed at first.

It happens more generally with other unrelated things as well. For instance, Carter holds a positive opinion now. As time has gone on, it's gone up, because people's memory of past incidents fade and they default to the positive or neutral opinions. Just a fact of how things go.
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Marokai Backbeat
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2010, 01:38:50 AM »

Actually, Marokai, Medicare was very popular when it was enacted.  It did not have to become popular later.

True, I wasn't suggesting it had widespread opposition, I was just saying there were individuals, like Ronald Reagan, who acted like it would be the end of freedom in the United States as we know it and would lead to Socialism, the government telling doctors where to work, and a whole host of other nonsense. It wasn't, and it really didn't. Hysterical opposition is usually silly and erodes over time, that's all I was suggesting.
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