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Marokai Backbeat
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« on: November 21, 2009, 07:20:33 PM »
« edited: November 26, 2009, 09:15:49 PM by Sen. Marokai Blue, PPT »

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Sponsor: Franzl
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Marokai Backbeat
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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2009, 07:22:48 PM »

I was actually planning on introducing this until Franzl talked me out of it, then he must have changed his mind and introduced it himself. Tongue

In any case, I support this measure. In internet terms, IPs are pretty close public information, almost the equivalent of what color clothes someone wears in person. We're not searching someone's computer or ransacking their home, so a search warrant is far too much just to acquire an IP address.
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Marokai Backbeat
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E: -7.42, S: -7.39

« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2009, 07:53:24 PM »

Afleitch, this is the current system:

AG: "We are prosecuting ____ because we believe this poster might have a sock."

Court: "Well why do you think this? What is your evidence?"

AG: "Because we saw the IP addresses, they're clear as day!"

Court: "Well you can't introduce IPs as evidence without a warrant."

AG: "Then I request a search warrant for the IP address."

Court: "Probable cause?"

AG: "How could I possibly obtain probable cause without a flat-out admission of guilt! There's no way to get probable cause!"

Court: "Then you cannot post the IP address."

AG: "But we know they match!!"

Court: "Case dismissed."



In other words, the current system sucks.
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Marokai Backbeat
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E: -7.42, S: -7.39

« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2009, 08:05:41 PM »

Us lowly posters just don't understand Afleitch's mod logic. Sad
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Marokai Backbeat
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2009, 06:18:38 AM »

I'm a bit confused as to what that Amendment actually does, but I'm probably not understanding it for a very silly reason. Could someone dumb down what that actually does in relation to the problem that necessitated this Amendment in the first place?
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Marokai Backbeat
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2009, 03:39:20 PM »

I'm assuming Franzl was fine with Afleitch's simple revision, since he accepted it before and nothing really changed in it, so..

I hereby open up a final vote on this Amendment. Please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

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Abstain until someone explains to me what this does and how it solves the problem.
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Marokai Backbeat
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E: -7.42, S: -7.39

« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2009, 03:46:00 PM »

I'll switch my vote to Aye after Franzl reassured me. Tongue
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Marokai Backbeat
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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2009, 09:15:31 PM »

This Amendment has passed 7-0.
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