More Clinton and McCain

[Person Man]

Sarkozy v. Royale

"2007 France"- Incumbent party runs against itself

"1988"- incumbent maintains control through sheer strength

"2000 scenario"- incumbent party loses on EVs in a tied election when incumbent is weak.

"1976 style scenario"- incumbent loses more squarely

"1968/1992/1980 scenario"

[Person Man]

Sarkozy/Royal and Clinton/McCain aren't very comparable.

Show me how? It just seemed to me that a celebrated party maverick was running against a liberal woman with a strong reigonal record.

[Person Man]

Sarkozy/Royal and Clinton/McCain aren't very comparable.

Show me how? It just seemed to me that a celebrated party maverick was running against a liberal woman with a strong reigonal record.

Strong regional record? Please not that bullsh**t again. Liberal? Not really.

The vote against the UMP in 2004 rejected Chirac, not as much his party. If it had been Chirac vs. Royal; Royal would've won in a landslide. But it was Sarkozy, who represented a much different wing of the party than Chirac did, plus the two were/are rivals to enemies (since 1995).

Royal was a nice woman with little political experience and with a strong ego that conflicted with the PS elephants; she also led a poor campaign in my opinion (and her campaign led to defection of some to Sarkozy, like Besson)
Sorry for hijacking this thread off-topic.

One can say those are the same.

[Person Man]

Umm...and?

[Person Man]

Sarkozy/Royal and Clinton/McCain aren't very comparable.

Show me how? It just seemed to me that a celebrated party maverick was running against a liberal woman with a strong reigonal record.

Strong regional record? Please not that bullsh**t again. Liberal? Not really.

The vote against the UMP in 2004 rejected Chirac, not as much his party. If it had been Chirac vs. Royal; Royal would've won in a landslide. But it was Sarkozy, who represented a much different wing of the party than Chirac did, plus the two were/are rivals to enemies (since 1995).

Royal was a nice woman with little political experience and with a strong ego that conflicted with the PS elephants; she also led a poor campaign in my opinion (and her campaign led to defection of some to Sarkozy, like Besson)
Sorry for hijacking this thread off-topic.

One can say those are the same.

Does Clinton have no experience? Is McCain Bush's sworn rival and enemy since 1995? Will Clinton lead such an awful campaign?

1- Many people say she is only a 1 term senator....
2- 2000 was kinda nasty. 2000 wasn't 1995, but still...
3- Many people seem to think so, at least against the golden arches.

[Person Man]

Obama obviously isn't going to endorse McCain or anything.

Yeah...

[Person Man]

Sarkozy/Royal and Clinton/McCain aren't very comparable.

Show me how? It just seemed to me that a celebrated party maverick was running against a liberal woman with a strong reigonal record.

Strong regional record? Please not that bullsh**t again. Liberal? Not really.

The vote against the UMP in 2004 rejected Chirac, not as much his party. If it had been Chirac vs. Royal; Royal would've won in a landslide. But it was Sarkozy, who represented a much different wing of the party than Chirac did, plus the two were/are rivals to enemies (since 1995).

Royal was a nice woman with little political experience and with a strong ego that conflicted with the PS elephants; she also led a poor campaign in my opinion (and her campaign led to defection of some to Sarkozy, like Besson)
Sorry for hijacking this thread off-topic.

One can say those are the same.

Does Clinton have no experience? Is McCain Bush's sworn rival and enemy since 1995? Will Clinton lead such an awful campaign?

1- Many people say she is only a 1 term senator....
2- 2000 was kinda nasty. 2000 wasn't 1995, but still...
3- Many people seem to think so, at least against the golden arches.

1. Royal was a low-level Minister of Family and Sports or some similar useless post and a popular MP from a rural area before becoming regional president (regional presidencies are NOT comparable to a US governorship).
2. McCain wasn't booed at party rallies, humiliated in a EU election, and personally hated by Dubya?

similiar, mind you, not the same.

I never really thought about it before, but I see how Royal/Sarkozy is a bit like Hillary/McCain.

I just hope it turns out differently. Sarkozy seems to have it right economically, but he is being a Bush-bot. I guess a Bush-bot who could help...