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« on: July 02, 2022, 09:59:16 AM »

Republicans will never accept any sort of power-sharing agreement under any circumstance. They know that the Electoral College is all that matters and how they largely benefit from it. Notice how irrelevant Trump's seven million vote loss from 2020 is to the "stolen election" discourse. They will never consider abolishing it until they are the ones are the wrong side of an electoral college-popular vote split.

Exactly. Any such talk will make “denazification” of at least some of the US inevitable.
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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2022, 10:51:48 AM »

The more dangerous outcome looming is the SCOTUS allowing individual states to appoint electors for whichever candidate it prefers, regardless of the election outcome.

Imagine Biden winning Georgia again in 2024, but the GOP legislature decides there was voter fraud and appoints electors for DeSantis/Trump/whoever. This could begin a scenario where state legislators are not electing the president.

What should be done if that happens?
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2022, 10:30:21 AM »

The more dangerous outcome looming is the SCOTUS allowing individual states to appoint electors for whichever candidate it prefers, regardless of the election outcome.

Imagine Biden winning Georgia again in 2024, but the GOP legislature decides there was voter fraud and appoints electors for DeSantis/Trump/whoever. This could begin a scenario where state legislators are not electing the president.

Work like crazy to flip state legislatures, y'know like the GOP did in 2010.

What should be done if that happens?

I've given up on Democrats ever deciding to broaden their appeal. You might notice I've been making fun of hacks like Bitecofer or Pod Save America quite a bit over the last couple of years, and part of that is because they're an endless source of unintentional comedy, but it's also because their influence has been incredibly profound on the party.

The idea that all Democrats have to do is win the suburbs or turn out the base is a big part of why they're in this mess. Democrats have known since at the latest 2010 that they were facing big problems in rural America and that this would lock them out of power in many states and instead of addressing this, Democrats decided that they didn't need those voters because of their emerging majority. Democratic conspiracy theories are not as accelerated or obvious of an evil as the Republican ones, but they're far more self-defeating. Think about it, if you've convinced yourself that you already have a decisive majority on your side, why would you ever bother to invest in broadening your coalition? I know Democrats can't bear to blame Obama for anything, but it's a fact that he was in charge when this happened and he seemed to believe it himself, so at the very least we can blame him for not shutting the nonsense down. It's gone on so long that it'll likely take close to a generation to undo the damage that this type of crackpot insanity has done to the party and the country.
The problem no one seems to offer any good options they democrats can to fix this that doesn’t involve getting more reactionary on culture war issues that run the risk of hurting there support among other groups that make up there coalition. So you might mock them for the turn out the base and focus on suburbs strategy but it seems to be the best option they have in this day and age

They don't have to be reactionary, they just need to be more moderate and shut down the BS.

It helps that now Republicans can no longer say whatever they want but claim they won’t be able to fully indulge the crazies anytime soon.
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