American Women are having more Abortions

[Person Man]

2020 was a tumultuous year. The answer probably has something to do with that.

And even when abortion became illegal due to COVID restrictions.

[Person Man]

Why wouldn't they? This country is absolutely crazy. If conservatives want to end abortion, they need to make this country a more pleasant place to raise a family in.

Well yeah unless you believe that trying to put everyone in jail will make people have more kids.

[Person Man]

I don't understand why conservatives insist on fewer abortions while making the country worse to live in. You could reduce abortion rates massively by providing paid parental leave, but conservatives somehow think that's a bad idea.

And if anything, access to birth control was reduced in 2020 and this abortion rate includes time when abortion was illegal due to COVID.

[Person Man]

Here's something interesting. Reasons why women get abortions. Kind of an old study, but I'll bet the same reasons apply today.

Why women have abortions

In a 2004 survey of 957 women having an abortion, one in four said their most important reason for having the procedure was that they weren't ready for a child or the timing was wrong.

Not ready for a(nother) child/Timing is wrong 25%
Can’t afford a baby now 23%
Have completed my childbearing/Have other people depending on me/Children are grown 19%
Don’t want to be a single mother or am having relationship problems 8%
Don’t feel mature enough to raise a(nother) child/Feel too young 7%
Would interfere with education or career plans 4%
Physical problem with my health 4%
Possible problems affecting the health of the fetus 3%
Other 6%

https://givingcompass.org/article/the-demographic-breakdown-of-women-who-are-getting-abortions

Do you believe those are valid reasons to end the life of a child already born? After all, the physical location of the child matters little if those reasons are legitimate, wouldn't you say?

We are not talking about a child that is already born. That's a whole different ballgame.

You don't have to agree that these reasons are legitimate, but it's reality. And they are legitimate to the women having an abortion.

What difference does it make if the reasons for not wanting a child are truly legitimate?

Financial situations change, health issues arise, relationships fail, careers change, all things that can happen after birth. Those are reality, yet for some arbitrary reason you think a human being's physical location means anything in the situation.

If a mother wanted to end the life of her newborn because she lost her job or her husband left her, how does that make her any worse of a person than someone who did it just a few months prior?  For the woman who killed her newborn, why would her reason be any less legitimate?

If you don't know then there is no talking to you.

The only thing you can do at that point is to protect yourself from people you can’t talk to.

[Person Man]

Stats are between 2017-2020.

If it's increased abortion due to less access to contraception (as the report hints) then that's not a positive thing. And needs correction.

"Less access to contraception"

Condoms cost a few $ and are available literally everywhere.

I do sympathize with the absurd costs of healthcare in the US, but if a dude is not able to afford a pack of condoms, I don't know what to tell you.

They are less preferable birth control.  At either rate, abortions and contraception access are heavily negatively correlated. Maybe COVID itself caused many abortions as well.

[Person Man]

2 questions the article didn't touch on
1.Plan B, are those counted as abortions?  I'd assume not, but I don't know.  If they are, that might be the reason for the uptick...but then one would assume it would be even bigger if that was the case?  idk
2.assuming Plan B's are not counted, why haven't they put a bigger dent in the abortion numbers?

They aren't counted. Regardless of the logistics of the situation, there tends to be more abortions when people have any amount of lessened access to birth control.

[Person Man]

A lot of non-Atlas blue states have moved left on abortion since 2018, creating new public or public-private partnerships to increase abortion access/education (especially for Black/Brown women.)

It's unsurprising that a culture that increasingly celebrates abortion would have more of it. 

Nobody celebrates abortion. The need for it is a fact of modern life.

You're kidding yourself if you think the culture doesn't celebrate abortion.  The days of "safe, legal and rare" are long gone.

There are holidays that celebrate abortion, Andrew Cuomo lit up the World Trade Center in pink to celebrate New York state legalizing late-term abortions, and celebrities on award stages are applauded when crediting their success to a decision to terminate a human life.

And Democrats are complicit in this new, celebratory culture around abortion.  Arguments like "abortion is healthcare" or that abortion "empowers" women are advanced in service to the goal of normalizing and destigmatizing mass abortion. 

Abortion can be legally protected while still acknowledging it as a personal and moral failure.  But is that even what you (and the Democrats more broadly) believe these days?

I offer that it's not a celebration of abortion, but rather a celebration of the freedom of choice. Freedom from oppression by perhaps people like you who want to throw your own personal morality and fear of God into the ring as the standard for all.

Using terms like "freedom of choice" is exactly the type of celebratory jargon that whitewashes what abortion really is - the termination of human life.

Your post tells how perfectly happy you are to celebrate and #ShoutYourAbortion as long as it's to "own" those tirelessly defending the sanctity of life.  You're equating abortion rights to the war to defeat the Nazis or something.  Grow up.   

No one should be happy to talk about abortion, much less happy to have one.  Abortion is a shameful and hurtful reality, but the pro-choice movement has had the normalization and promotion of abortion as their goal for several years now.     

You are operating inside a realm of wanting to control women, wanting to speak for your God, and wanting the entire country to fit in with your definition of what is right and moral. You may not agree with what I'm saying here, but your words tell a different tale.

You say I celebrate abortion but again, I tell you that nobody celebrates abortion. Especially me. I am all for freedom. I am for women having the right to dictate what happens to their own body, without moralists like you trying to crawl into their vaginas to vicariously see what's going on in there.

Why don't you put your nose in your own business and take care of your own health and the health of your family. That's your right. Period

You're only *saying* you don't celebrate abortion while having absolutely nothing but positive things to say about it.  So what does that mean you really believe?   

Repeat after me:  saying abortion can only be described as "a woman's right" is a fundamental denial of what abortion factually is, which is the termination of human life.     

That you can only imagine an assertion of this reality as tantamount to religious bigotry says much more about you than it does me. 

What even do you think you're doing?  lmao

What do you think he’s doing?

[Person Man]

A lot of non-Atlas blue states have moved left on abortion since 2018, creating new public or public-private partnerships to increase abortion access/education (especially for Black/Brown women.)

It's unsurprising that a culture that increasingly celebrates abortion would have more of it. 

Nobody celebrates abortion. The need for it is a fact of modern life.

You're kidding yourself if you think the culture doesn't celebrate abortion.  The days of "safe, legal and rare" are long gone.

There are holidays that celebrate abortion, Andrew Cuomo lit up the World Trade Center in pink to celebrate New York state legalizing late-term abortions, and celebrities on award stages are applauded when crediting their success to a decision to terminate a human life.

And Democrats are complicit in this new, celebratory culture around abortion.  Arguments like "abortion is healthcare" or that abortion "empowers" women are advanced in service to the goal of normalizing and destigmatizing mass abortion. 

Abortion can be legally protected while still acknowledging it as a personal and moral failure.  But is that even what you (and the Democrats more broadly) believe these days?

I offer that it's not a celebration of abortion, but rather a celebration of the freedom of choice. Freedom from oppression by perhaps people like you who want to throw your own personal morality and fear of God into the ring as the standard for all.

Using terms like "freedom of choice" is exactly the type of celebratory jargon that whitewashes what abortion really is - the termination of human life.

Your post tells how perfectly happy you are to celebrate and #ShoutYourAbortion as long as it's to "own" those tirelessly defending the sanctity of life.  You're equating abortion rights to the war to defeat the Nazis or something.  Grow up.   

No one should be happy to talk about abortion, much less happy to have one.  Abortion is a shameful and hurtful reality, but the pro-choice movement has had the normalization and promotion of abortion as their goal for several years now.     

You are operating inside a realm of wanting to control women, wanting to speak for your God, and wanting the entire country to fit in with your definition of what is right and moral. You may not agree with what I'm saying here, but your words tell a different tale.

You say I celebrate abortion but again, I tell you that nobody celebrates abortion. Especially me. I am all for freedom. I am for women having the right to dictate what happens to their own body, without moralists like you trying to crawl into their vaginas to vicariously see what's going on in there.

Why don't you put your nose in your own business and take care of your own health and the health of your family. That's your right. Period

You're only *saying* you don't celebrate abortion while having absolutely nothing but positive things to say about it.  So what does that mean you really believe?   

Repeat after me:  saying abortion can only be described as "a woman's right" is a fundamental denial of what abortion factually is, which is the termination of human life.     

That you can only imagine an assertion of this reality as tantamount to religious bigotry says much more about you than it does me. 

What even do you think you're doing?  lmao

What do you think he’s doing?

Posting irrelevant, non-original content so he can get his rocks off on "owning" the cons

Frank, are you just trying to “pwn teh cons”?

[Person Man]

Abortion can be legally protected while still acknowledging it as a personal and moral failure.  But is that even what you (and the Democrats more broadly) believe these days?

Abortion is not a personal or moral failure.

It really depends. It’s the superior option if it is in any kind of self-defense situation, unfortunate but understandable in a few other rare circumstances, and potentially in others that it’s like having your kids taken away.

[Person Man]

Seems to me that there are many people out there who are focusing too narrowly on the issue of abortion. They come from the religious angle and can only see that abortion is an affront to God, somehow.

I mean, it would be nice if abortion was never necessary. I would be the first in line to sign up for a society that is more enlightened and had no need for messy abortion issues, or gun issues for that matter.

But we don't live in that world. We live in the real world where people have problems and need help. Just stop with all the moralizing. Sometimes women need to get abortions, and it's for a whole host of reasons that really is nobody's business.

Murder happens all around our country every day, most of it perpetrated by men. Why don't we do something about that rather than always trying to blame women for not being perfect and for not living life the way the religious ones and the moralists want them to.

Not "trying to blame women for not being perfect" does not mean letting babies be aborted for not being perfect. 

Murder of born people is already illegal in the US, government at all levels - from international agreements down to neighborhood associations - spend a lot of resources in trying to stop it, and there is no broad movement in society claiming that it's ok and that it ought to be funded by government and private actors. All pro-lifers ask is getting a little bit closer to that situation when it comes to killings of the unborn.

It would make more sense if restrictions on abortions were positively correlated with a general expansion of the value of the welfare of the people versus protecting property and civil rights.

[Person Man]

Seems to me that there are many people out there who are focusing too narrowly on the issue of abortion. They come from the religious angle and can only see that abortion is an affront to God, somehow.

I mean, it would be nice if abortion was never necessary. I would be the first in line to sign up for a society that is more enlightened and had no need for messy abortion issues, or gun issues for that matter.

But we don't live in that world. We live in the real world where people have problems and need help. Just stop with all the moralizing. Sometimes women need to get abortions, and it's for a whole host of reasons that really is nobody's business.

Murder happens all around our country every day, most of it perpetrated by men. Why don't we do something about that rather than always trying to blame women for not being perfect and for not living life the way the religious ones and the moralists want them to.

Not "trying to blame women for not being perfect" does not mean letting babies be aborted for not being perfect. 

Murder of born people is already illegal in the US, government at all levels - from international agreements down to neighborhood associations - spend a lot of resources in trying to stop it, and there is no broad movement in society claiming that it's ok and that it ought to be funded by government and private actors. All pro-lifers ask is getting a little bit closer to that situation when it comes to killings of the unborn.

No that is not all what pro-lifer's want. They want complete control over the conversation of abortion. They want to control what women do with their bodies. They want everyone in the country to fall in line with their thoughts about God and morality, to the exclusion of what is good for the woman involved in an abortion, and also what is good for the people around her personally.

Why don't anti abortionists just control their own conversation, their own bodies, and if abortion is not for you then don't get one.

What is with trying to control every female in the country with their religious standards? As a woman, what right do you have to speak for me?

And for that matter, who appointed you savior of the unborn?

Jesus did (Matthew 25:40).

Gods of Prosperity, you come across as a decent human being. I have been in conversations about the subject of abortion for many many years now. I'll tell you now that if all you have is a verse from the bible to quote, then you have no argument. This is what I keep saying, that anti abortionists want to lay down the religious and spiritual law for every female in the country, but you can't really do that. You can try, and you may succeed at times, but if our country makes it harder for women to have abortions there is going to be a backlash.

God vs human reality. And don't get me wrong, I am a believer in a higher power. My belief tells me that this is a benevolent, gracious, loving God, but the religious extremists want to speak for God and cast fire and hatred on already living, thriving human beings because they dare to exercise their freedom of choice. Doesn't make sense to me.

It’s not even that. The verse he quoted assumed it’s main argument and is nonsequitor on its own.

[Person Man]

It would be ironic if abortions went up if Roe is repealed.

They just might. California and other states say they will be sanctuary states, and California even said they would help women with their transportation needs to come here. I don't know how real that is at the moment. Then there is medical abortion where women don't have to go anywhere, just take the medication. But the backward states want to prohibit that somehow.

I am really really very curious what is going to happen as far as backlash from women and those interested parties who are pro-choice when the SCOTUS does its questionable deed.

Also, at a minimum, the city of Austin, Texas, says that it will not enforce an abortion ban.

I expect many similar decisions in 'blue' cities/counties in 'red' states.

A segment on the CBC Radio program Day 6:
If Roe v. Wade is struck down, the city of Austin, Texas, plans to tell police not to enforce a state ban.
https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-14-day-6/clip/15919967-episode-603-corporate-concentration-and-food-prices-yourprouddad

I'm surprised this was from the city of Austin rather than the Travis County Sheriff or District Attorney, but certainly states and counties have discretion in deciding which laws they choose to enforce.  The state of Texas could pass a law mandating enforcement, but that would raise other issues relating to policing and prosecuting.

Couldn’t the state just “nationalize” the police and have Texas Rangers take over? Can Abbot fire the DAs or appoint inquisitors?