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« on: February 15, 2022, 09:09:09 AM »

Be a Trumpist without the racial talk.....

Appeal to Black men in a better way than Trump, and try to win Latino men.

Do better with women

Don't get into the culture wars

Isn't him being a poster boy for Illiberal Democracy (making protesting a legally grey area, censoring the universities and schools, and taking direct control over public varsity and collegiate athletic events) violate that last caveat? He's well into the culture wars.
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2022, 09:18:28 AM »
« Edited: February 15, 2022, 09:50:49 AM by Person Man »

Be a Trumpist without the racial talk.....

Appeal to Black men in a better way than Trump, and try to win Latino men.

Do better with women

Don't get into the culture wars

Isn't him being a poster boy for Illiberal Democracy (making protesting a legally grey area, censoring the universities and schools, and taking direct control over public varsity and collegiate athletic events) violate that last caveat? He's well into the culture wars.

Colleges are a hotbed for illiberalism with insane COVID restrictions.

Though true, that's not what I was talking about and thanks for reminding me of another illiberal thing he has done- consolidate public health powers. In his defense, he has sold this argument to even some liberals that his Borkian approach of using state power to "promote consumer welfare" is innovative and successful where other policies have failed.

So yeah. He's not staying out of the culture wars. He believes in Illiberal Democracy and has already had success in selling Illiberal Democracy as a way to promote dignity and freedom the way Social Democrats have struggled to do.

His future career depends on him going into the culture wars and being that Leviathan (Illiberal Democracy is what Hobbes was really advocating for).

Back to original question:

DeSantis gets nominated and wins by successfully arguing 1) Trumpism isn't about Trump. 2) Trumpism is indistinguishable from Illiberal Democracy. 3) Illiberal Democracy is a legitimate intellectual tradition and has strong answers to our country, and perhaps the world's problems. 4) He is the vehicle for Illiberal Democracy just as Reagan and W  were the vehicles for Intersectional/Bucklean( the "Fusion" of neoliberalism, neoconservatism, and religious nationalism) Conservativism.
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2022, 02:42:20 PM »
« Edited: February 16, 2022, 02:53:24 PM by Person Man »

First, win re-election this year, and by 10+% (tough, but not impossible now I must concede) bc right now his only actual victories are a small 0.4.% victory in the GE and a massive primary win due to trump’s heavy hand of influence;

Second, as said above, hope trump doesn’t run

Third, if he gets the nomination, pick a sane VP choice like Tim Scott, which could prove crucial in places like Georgia, which the gop has to win back to have a plausible path to 270 (WI/PA alone won’t be enough).

Fourth (and this is out of his control as a challenger), is the national environment. Whether it’s Biden or not, the incumbent party must retain a 50% disapproval or higher in the aggregate. And even then, no matter how bad the Dem approvals are, no Republican is going to get above 320 in the electoral college (2016+NV/NH). It’s just not happening due to polarization.

I guess Republicans are due for their 2008 but unless things steadily get worse for Democrats like they have for the last 6 months, 2016 is pretty close, though not quite, to their ceiling. In 2028, I could see DeSantis getting elected by the same margin that Obama did by winning everything short of Colorado and Virginia.
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2022, 03:30:52 PM »

A lot of people don't understand something: DeSantis is still quite young. Right now being Governor and complete a 2nd Term is unbelievably powerful, I would say even more powerful then being President especially if you are governing the 3rd largest State in the Country after CA and TX.

If I would advise DeSantis I'd say make sure you win Re-Election, complete your 2nd Term and then run in 2028.

DeSantis has time on his side. Let lyin Ted Cruz & bonaheaded Josh Hawley destroy themselves during the 2024 Primary and you have an easier ride to the Nomination in 2028.

W ran in his second term as Governor of Texas.
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