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« on: June 24, 2019, 09:10:45 AM »
« edited: June 24, 2019, 09:20:35 AM by Edgar Suit Larry »

I feel like socialist wing of the Democrats has both the insistence and the hubris required to split off, especially after another particularly dire primary squabble with the party establishment. Whether they would actually be a serious electoral proposition is another question entirely. Under FPTP, it would likely require some kind of negotiation with the Democrats in agreeing where to run and not run candidates. However, if this division was as acrimonious as it would have to be to cause an outright exodus, it might not be easy to get the two parties to talk.

I could see them sharing the same primaries and being able to have amicable turf wars and being able to negotiate coalitions when the GOP wins less than 50% of the power but a strong plurality. My guess is that this arrangement would allow centrist or insufficiently ideological candidates to run as stereotypical conservadems on a platform of nuance on health care, ending the payroll tax max, taxation on pensions, while also running against taking up more civil rights causes and going to the center on women’s rights, self defense rights , and gay rights. The entire space between Charlie Crist and Dan Lipinski.

Then the rest of Democrats could either join that party or feel more comfortable running on government guarantees of training, health care, retirement, and balanced trade and employment. Also on drug and gun reform, civil rights, reproductive rights and taking a much more populist stance on pollution.
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2019, 10:24:43 AM »
« Edited: June 24, 2019, 10:28:00 AM by Edgar Suit Larry »

If we have a really bad recession in the next 10 to 15 years we will get something really ruinous politically and I'm not sure what form it will take. The Republican party seems like it can easily be taken over by the most fervent, see the TeaParty and the rise of Donald Trump's political chaos. But if we have a uprise from the left it will happen under the Democratic party because that's where it's already going. The shrinking white population of America will also cause a freak out that will probably give rise to several minor white nationalist parties that will get outsized attention.

Basically the next major crisis might be large enough that a reasonable voter might question whether or not  civil society should even exist. Is that what you are saying? It opens up someone the next level up from Trump taking over and either society ossifying to the point the over time, people just give up and avoid society in general or that pretty much happening immediately.
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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2019, 11:45:26 AM »

We already have a Libertarian Party, a Green Party, and a Constitution Party. How many more parties do we need?

What if all three of them merged to create some sort of weird big tent ant-establishment party? Tongue

There will inevitably be a coalition of libertarians, constitutionalists, and anti-statist progressives

I've actually taken my own joke somewhat seriously and tried to think of what sort of policy positions such a party might have. Some things I have come up with so far is:
  • A non-interventionist foreign policy
  • Opposition to NFTA and similar trade agreement
  • A federalist "leave it to states" approach to most social issues
  • Abolishing the income tax and replacing it with VAT and carbon taxes
  • Opposition to farm subsidies and other similar forms of corporate welfare
An interesting mix of bad and potentially good ideas, then?
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