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« on: May 21, 2017, 02:27:58 PM »

Right now he's hovering between Carter and Hoover but not Buchanan losing the Union levels yet. I doubt though Trump will be a great or even good President at this point. The circumstances around him are too grave to warrant him being a good President.

Basically, there's no recovering for him? He either is removed or defeated for good reason or serves all the time and just leaves carnage....but doesn't become an existential issue. Tgis is most likely. Best case, he is an "average" president that gets reelected but doesn't change America's course or does become that next person who breaks America.
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2017, 06:18:21 PM »

Right now he's hovering between Carter and Hoover but not Buchanan losing the Union levels yet. I doubt though Trump will be a great or even good President at this point. The circumstances around him are too grave to warrant him being a good President.

Basically, there's no recovering for him? He either is removed or defeated for good reason or serves all the time and just leaves carnage....but doesn't become an existential issue. Tgis is most likely. Best case, he is an "average" president that gets reelected but doesn't change America's course or does become that next person who breaks America.

No. He's a minority presidency who lost the popular vote and really given the opposition he's engendered and the hostility of the institutions around him he's well, screwed. The allegations by the intelligence community around Russia, his own blunders in this area, etc all add to how steep his presidency will be from here on out.

An interesting and relevant trivia. Every president who lost the popular vote went on to have an unsuccessful presidency (Adams 1824, Hayes 1876, Harrison 1888, Bush 2000) -- defined by no notable achievements or one term or disgrace. W won a second term but left office highly unpopular. 

Why it matters: the popular vote confers legitimacy and political capital; losing it often correlates with a weak presidency. Big winners have enormous capital and mandates; the opposite holds true too.

No notable achievements is probably the upper boundaries of Trump's presidency -- and this is the best case scenario.
So he probably is one a termer or ends up "breaking" the country.
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