Opinion of MY version of ProLife

[Person Man]

Anti-euthanasia=HI

Eurhanasia is awful. Assisted Suicide is an important personal thing.
I'd gladly support a non-violent consistent life ethic....no one else needs to be in jail. No pre-implantation rights against medical research.

So, I'm definitely pro-choice but this is FI.

[Person Man]

Are you vegan?

That's kind of a good question.

[Person Man]

Exactly the way I am. Pro-life from the womb to the grave.

So you're for universal healthcare, and for a welfare state that looks out for the poor, with  high levels of taxation on the rich to provide resources to essential services for society, that save people's lives.

Oh wait no...

Well, I am.

^

And I'm a semi-vegetarian and would definitely be a more thoroughgoing vegetarian if I had stronger and more consequent moral behaviors.

Are you vegan?

That's kind of a good question.

No because human life is different than the lives or other animals.

An octopus sea slug has more sentience than an embryo.

But an embryo has the potential to develop into a human being... whereas a slug and octopus are a slug and octopus...

Not the sharpest argument.

I am pro-choice, by the way.

So what? All human gametes have the potential to form human life, and we don't get angry about women having periods.

There's a clear trajectory of something with its own set of genes etc. proceeding through different developmental stages between conception and birth that manifestly isn't the case with cells that have to fuse with cells from an entirely different person first. This has never struck me as a good-faith argument. Just say that brain activity has to be present for something to be a person, or that the soul enters the body at birth along with the breath, or something.

but the conceptus still has fuse with the uterine wall. :/ I think, using that standard, either masturbation is murder or there are no felonious moral consequences for using an IUD or getting tissue transplants to regenerate diseased, wasting, or stunted tissues derived from the cells of embryos.

[Person Man]

There's a clear trajectory of something with its own set of genes etc. proceeding through different developmental stages between conception and birth that manifestly isn't the case with cells that have to fuse with cells from an entirely different person first. This has never struck me as a good-faith argument. Just say that brain activity has to be present for something to be a person, or that the soul enters the body at birth along with the breath, or something.

That is implied when one's rebuttal to a pro-life argument is "sea slugs are more sentient then embryos".

I know, but why go beyond that and start piling on arguments that are much worse to boot?

The other argument was a rebuttal to a counterargument. Frankly, its pretty dumb to seperate embryos from gametes. "Gamates are okay to kill because their just a cell containing the genetic information of one person. But embryos have genetic info from 2 people. And it takes slightly fewer reactions to turn one  into a conciousness. They must be fully human!

And even when gametes fuse, there is no pregnancy.

[Person Man]

There's a clear trajectory of something with its own set of genes etc. proceeding through different developmental stages between conception and birth that manifestly isn't the case with cells that have to fuse with cells from an entirely different person first. This has never struck me as a good-faith argument. Just say that brain activity has to be present for something to be a person, or that the soul enters the body at birth along with the breath, or something.

That is implied when one's rebuttal to a pro-life argument is "sea slugs are more sentient then embryos".

I know, but why go beyond that and start piling on arguments that are much worse to boot?

The other argument was a rebuttal to a counterargument. Frankly, its pretty dumb to seperate embryos from gametes. "Gamates are okay to kill because their just a cell containing the genetic information of one person. But embryos have genetic info from 2 people. And it takes slightly fewer reactions to turn one  into a conciousness. They must be fully human!

It's a new life and a unique individual organism, biologically and genetically human. It's not dumb to see value in that. Your view of what imparts value to human life just happens to be more limited.

But until they implant, they won't necessarily grow and are in the same boat of any cell whose nucleus could be transplamted into an egg.