If SCOTUS won't enforce Roe/Casey, and there are several "Right to Life" states

[Person Man]

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Should child support be able to be collected for fetuses?

[Person Man]

Interesting question. Obviously an unborn child doesn't need clothing or toys yet, but they would have healthcare costs, which could run quite high. My gut reaction is 'yes, but not to the same extent as post birth', but its not a thought out position.

Would this be enforceable in practice? You'd have to go from conception to relationship breakdown to court orders in nine months, and there would be paternity issues in a sizable percentage of cases. Family court doesn't seem to work that fast, at least where I am.

Well, healthcare costs and its probably more expensive to live when you are pregnant, am I wrong?
It's primary goal wouldn't just be to preserve familial resources for children but also to make both parents share in the burdens of extended personhood.
If abortion were made illegal, I would also have the father be punished as an equal accomplice to the mother unless he files a police report within a week of the alleged abortion.
Though, the punishment of the parents would be sterilization (instead of jail/prison/supervision) or something like that. 

I am thinking ahead to where pro-choice people are basically in the position of anti-abortion people are today. Basically, I would chip away first without actually fighting the actual ban. I would just try to make enforcement less discriminatory.

[Person Man]

Well, healthcare costs and its probably more expensive to live when you are pregnant, am I wrong?

Day to day costs don't really change much, but there's a decent sized up front cost before the birth. Cribs, strollers, maternity/baby clothes etc. There's a pretty huge range in the actual cost. Mrs. DC figured out it would take about $6k to buy everything we need at the name brand maternity store*. OTOH my sister in law spent only a few hundred thanks to Craigslist and generous church ladies.

If abortion were made illegal, I would also have the father be punished as an equal accomplice to the mother unless he files a police report within a week of the alleged abortion.

This is completely unenforceable. It is trivially easy for a woman to hide a pregnancy in the first trimester. It's not like they get huge bumps the second they conceive.

You would need a court order and I'm not sure on a state by state level whether the jurisdiction of the juvenile court would extend to fetuses. If allowed the mother would have to file a petition and prove paternity. I have no clue if it is safe to extract DNA from a fetus to determine paternity, but either way it could be a drawn out process.

There's a way to extract DNA from an unborn baby, used to test for Down's Syndrome. It causes miscarriages 0.5-1% of the time, so its only done in high risk pregnancies. I'd vehemently protest any legislation that forces women to gamble on miscarriage.

*There is no way in hell we are buying everything at the name brand maternity store.

1) It would basically be to stop the type of behavior that gives rise to the need of an apparent vast majority of the need for reproductive health. That is, one person took advantage of another at da club, or on match, tinder, or worse, POF. Basically, the law will assume that when there's the potential for a child, there is a child and that therefore ONS is abandonment. See where I am going with this?

2) You can always file for paternity once the child is actually born and claim back CS from between last intimate contact and birth. This would sort of start the reintroduction of constructive marriage.

3) If everyone believes that a person's person then dad cums, that's when you start being a parent.

[Person Man]

I found the problem: "SCOTUS won't enforce". It's the executive's job to enforce, not the SCOTUS.

"Won't acknowledge as precedent?"

[Person Man]

No, states should not be able to collect child support for fetuses. I am pro-choice, but oppose late-term abortion. I don't want Roe v. Wade reversed; but I think fetuses should have some rights, including SCHIP eligibility to help developing children before birth.

All I was saying is that if abortion is illegal for women, it should be so for men.