neoconservatives vs new right

[Person Man]

And, yeah, the New Right was basically the Old Right.  Ideologically, you can see a lot of continuity from the second Ku Klux Klan to the New Right of the 1960s.  These were just American fascists.

Yes, a group of Roman Catholics united by their support of the half-Jew Barry Goldwater were the same thing as the second Klan.

What's more, I repeated that again, which makes it, in this thread alone, three times as true!

Then again the "New Right" didn't mature until the late 70s and arguably many main elements of it were missing in the 60s. The ultrahawks, otherwise moderate-ish racists and reactionary Catholics couldn't win elections. Of course the lineage from the TEA Party to the second Klan makes more sense on a relative level.

[Person Man]

The New Right, to me, are the rabid anti-gay, anti-Islam, anti-marijuana, anti-social-liberalism brigade.

Neocons are just neoliberals with a penchant for military interventionism and aggressive foreign policy. Born from 9/11 and Chinese monetary hijinks.

That works...but do they have to be mutually exclusive? A lot of neoconservatives abandoned, at least temporarily, the Republican Party after the Bush debacle (people like Francis Fukuyama) but aren't there those who identify as neocons but are anti-gay, anti-Islam, pro-personhood and anti-drug reform?

[Person Man]

That works...but do they have to be mutually exclusive? A lot of neoconservatives abandoned, at least temporarily, the Republican Party after the Bush debacle (people like Francis Fukuyama) but aren't there those who identify as neocons but are anti-gay, anti-Islam, pro-personhood and anti-drug reform?

In theory, they are mutually exclusive, since neoliberals are often socially apathetic. In practice; however, a neocon could get bent about a particular social issue, and adopt new right policy, without changing his neoliberal economic sentiments. His dominant political orientation would be difficult to discern. New Right hater? or Neocon with an axe to grind over a particular domestic social issue?

There was this poster once who was "libertarian" on all domestic issues except he supported personhood. He was an Iraq hawk. That's kind of the edge between "New Right" and "Neocon with an axe to grind".

[Person Man]

It’s basically the difference between ideological right wingers and people who just agree with them that the left sucks on one or two issues. A member of the  latter group could be part of the former group but they could also be on the left. Most Notorious Example: I believe in all the social progress of the last 30 years and don’t like peaceniks who don’t believe in it enough to help other people achieve it.

[Person Man]

The New Right, to me, are the rabid anti-gay, anti-Islam, anti-marijuana, anti-social-liberalism brigade.

Neocons are just neoliberals with a penchant for military interventionism and aggressive foreign policy. Born from 9/11 and Chinese monetary hijinks.

The "New Right" is just what everyone calls the "alt-right" then.  Funny enough, Mr. Alt-Right himself, Richard Spencer endorsed Biden! 

If we're thinking the new Trumpian right: it's more anti-immigration, anti-terrorism (but also anti-war), anti-taxes, anti-regulation.  LGBT isn't really something that's a priority. And I'd say at least are classic liberal and but socially conservative. 

But the Neocon definition is pretty spot-on.

I mean there are degrees. What does “anti-terrorism” even mean?
It sounds more like what would be called Liberal Nationalism.