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« on: May 09, 2013, 07:50:28 AM »
« edited: May 09, 2013, 07:54:29 AM by InsaneTrollLogic »

Example of social moderate: Yes on legalizing gay marriage . Compromises on immigration. No on legalizing marijuana for medical use or otherwise, no on legal abortions, no on banning semi-automatics, yes on background checks.

Example of Social Liberal: Yes on legalizing gay marriage, yes on pathway to citizenship, yes on marijuana for medical use, could be yes or no on marijuana for other use, yes on abortion remaining legal, yes on banning semi-automatics and requiring Universal Background Checks.

So basically, Mark Kirk or Joe Manchin vs Patrick Leahy or Richard Durbin.

I would agree except for perhaps they would be perhaps in favor of restricting abortion instead of overturning Roe v. Wade. I still think that wanting to overturn Roe is socially conservative.

In a way, social moderates are literally the true conservatives. They generally think that the consensus on the law is where it should be.
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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2013, 10:36:26 AM »

 I think with marriage equality becoming a reasonable expectation of a modern society, I think that the culture wars will die down like they did in the 70s unless there's something new learned or invented that is interpreted as challenging the existence of God (They find a breathable atmosphere around an exoplanet or create very convincing Artificial Intelligence in the next 10 or 20 years)  or  Republicans see marijuana  as a new wedge issue or if Assisted Suicide becomes a new issue for Democrats to push. Of course, there's always abortion...but each side knows that if there's a major push on that issue, there will be a large backlash.
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2013, 07:28:41 AM »

That could be an interesting coalition by the end of the century.
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2013, 08:24:29 AM »

Human Cloning would be an interesting issue where you see an odd coalition of bible thumpers allying with granola eating Greenpeace members and the like against moral-less "Wall Street" hacks, corporatists, and moderate heroes.
You suggest that human cloning would only be supported 'moral-less' people and hacks.  Human cloning would allow us to grow organs which could then be used in transplants that would save countless lives, so the issue could theoretically appeal to a larger variety of people than you suggest.

There is the possibility that we could grow organs with matching genetic makeup to the organ recipients without using cloning. In that case there really wouldn't be a point to human cloning and I doubt it would be an issue at all.

That is true. Its also true that Mech's idea of a new socially conservative coalition seems to be the perfect storm for the creation of the "Coalition of the Annoying".
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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2013, 06:53:13 PM »

Could you see abortion being a major factor that prevents presidential landslides or a party winning more than 3 times in a row?
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2013, 09:17:29 PM »

I don't think what he saying that social liberalism wins. He is just saying that social conservatism doesn't win.
"We'll see" or "That's a tough issue" is better than "Name it, I'm against it." This doesn't mean that "we need to be an open society" or "do your own thing" is better than the former.
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