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« on: March 24, 2016, 06:53:56 PM »

It's not just LA, Cruz is recruiting ninjas across the country. Here is a bit from Politico about SD.
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2016, 07:08:39 PM »

Intersting tweet from WSJ reporter, showing how outclassed Trump's campaign is vs. Cruz in this inside baseball game of delegate selection.

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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2016, 07:19:40 PM »

The article from the WSJ isn't very clear but I believe like in SD they are talking about how Cruz controls more delegates in terms of committees and the second ballot but the Trump delegates are still bound for the first ballot. 

Ben Ginsberg talked about this on CSPAN, noting that the rule about pledged delegates is now a 'permanent rule' and cannot be changed (this was to avoid Paul shenanigans again).

http://www.c-span.org/video/?406980-1/ben-ginsberg-republican-convention-rules
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2016, 09:46:40 PM »

Cruz will probably be the nominee by literally stealing delegates the same as Paul did in 2012, but on a much larger and more sanctioned scale. These state conventions are going to be hilarious to watch. If the fighting was bad last time, this time it's going to be insane.

Not exactly the same. Paul was trying to steal pledged delegates to vote for Paul on the first ballot. Cruz is infiltrating Trump's pledged delegates but they can't vote for Cruz until the second ballot. So if Trump wins enough pledged delegates all of this stuff will be a moot point.

Cruz is also going after unbound delegates. In theory Cruz could use them to win on a first ballot but he would have to really close the gap with Trump by the convention and go in with close to 1100+.

But going after the unbound is also a defensive move to keep them from Trump. If Trump doesn't get 1237 he is going to be very close.  Cruz' ninjas will mean that Trump is going to lose delegates on the second round, so Trump really needs to win on the first round. The unbound delegates are the way he can win with less than 1237. Say Trump goes in with 1200, then he just needs 37 of these unbound and he is the nominee. And you can be sure that Trump will be handing out jobs, ambassadorships, free travel to the convention and possibly even suitcases of money to make that happen.
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2016, 09:57:16 PM »
« Edited: March 24, 2016, 09:59:27 PM by Likely Voter »

Cruz will probably be the nominee by literally stealing delegates the same as Paul did in 2012, but on a much larger and more sanctioned scale. These state conventions are going to be hilarious to watch. If the fighting was bad last time, this time it's going to be insane.

Not exactly the same. Paul was trying to steal pledged delegates to vote for Paul on the first ballot. Cruz is infiltrating Trump's pledged delegates but they can't vote for Cruz until the second ballot. So if Trump wins enough pledged delegates all of this stuff will be a moot point.

Cruz is also going after unbound delegates. In theory Cruz could use them to win on a first ballot but he would have to really close the gap with Trump by the convention and go in with close to 1100+.

But going after the unbound is also a defensive move to keep them from Trump. If Trump doesn't get 1237 he is going to be very close.  Cruz' ninjas will mean that Trump is going to lose delegates on the second round, so Trump really needs to win on the first round. The unbound delegates are the way he can win with less than 1237. Say Trump goes in with 1200, then he just needs 37 of these unbound and he is the nominee. And you can be sure that Trump will be handing out jobs, ambassadorships, free travel to the convention and possibly even suitcases of money to make that happen.

Agreed, but there's also going to be some Paul level shady stuff going on even if Trump were to exceed the target.

In 2012 the RNC adopted Rule 16 to disallow that Paul ninja delegate stuff. You can read it here:
https://cdn.gop.com/docs/2012_RULES_Adopted.pdf

And according to Ben Ginsberg, this is a permanent rule that cannot be changed by the 2016 rules committee
http://www.c-span.org/video/?406980-1/ben-ginsberg-republican-convention-rules

Cruz can fill slates with his ninjas and they can follow his lead for other rules, for VP and on the second ballot. He can nab unpledged delegates, including ones that were Rubio delegates.  But he can't touch Trump's first ballot pledged delegates.  If Trump wins 1237, he wins. End of story. (at least according to Ginsberg, and if there was a way around it, you can bet that weasily shark would be talking about it)
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