Gunman near UCSB kills 6 people, injures 7

[Likely Voter]

Keep in mind that I say the following as a supporter of the right to bear arms.

Since as far as I am aware, no existing gun law was broken before he went on his shooting spree.  Nor were such laws broken in the case of Newtown.  So bringing out the canard that we need to enforce the existing laws before even daring to consider anything else is really really not helpful.  Now if you actually have something to say that pertains to this particular incident, please do so.  However, the enforce meme exists only to delay doing anything, and not just with gun issues.  So unless you have something relevant to say, either shut up or go on Fox News.

It is illegal for mentally-ill individuals to purchase firearms. This individual is clearly mentally ill. Therefore, we are not enforcing the laws we have on the books, and this is basically Jared Loughner Part II, though, we do not have a failed military psyche evaluation on Rodgers record.

When did this happen?

Not sure when it was made law, but Fed Law declares that any person who "has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution" cannot own a gun. However being in therapy and even having serious mental illness is not the same as "adjudicated as a mental defective"...that requires a court.


So to the point, it is not illegal for the mentally ill to purchase firearms, only for those so mentally ill they have been committed or a court has deemed them mentally ill...and there is a HUUUUGE difference. And even with that, background checks often do not catch even those who are legally banned from owning guns. ...case in point...http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/30/health/mental-illness-guns/

And of course any effort to make tighter restrictions on the definition of mentally ill or the robustness of background checks would be destroyed by the NRA as an attack on the 2nd Ammend and freedom and democracy and America and how dare you for even thinking of it, go back to Russia

[Likely Voter]

What restriction was violated in this case?  Are you arguing that seeing a mental health professional for whatever reason should automatically disqualify one from owning a gun?  Yes, in hindsight, whoever he was seeing possibly could have done more, tho that assumes that the problems he evidenced when that professional saw him was something that should have caused him to be judged a danger to himself or others.

Rodger had a therapist. Last month, relatives called police to pay him a visit because they were worried about his mental condition. The man was mentally-ill. He purchased firearms. What extenuating circumstances are causing confusion? Granted, we don't know the timing of the therapy and the purchase, but it's somewhat moot at this point. The Isla Vista rampage is another example of government refusing to enforce Gun Control Act of 1968.

Wrong.

Neither having a therapist, nor being visited by the police (even from call of those worried about mental illness) can preclude you from purchasing a firearm based on the Gun Control Act of 1968. And as I have stated before, even if you are diagnosed as mentally ill, you can still purchase a gun. California has an even stricter law regarding therapy where it requires therapists to notify the police if a patient has made any specific threats of violence (which would be put into database and stop any purchase attempt via background check). However in this case there is no evidence that this guy had made any specific threats (until he posted that video but by that time he had purchased the guns).

[Likely Voter]

He was mentally-ill and he was seeking treatment. Gun Control Act 1968 was written for this reason. Unless he purchased the firearms before he started therapy or before a government agency realized his mental-illness, GCA 1968 would have prevented this mess.

Once again, the GCA of 1968 states...

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Is it that you don't understand what the word "adjudicated" means?

If so then read this ATF document and then come back to us