Shooting reported on MIT campus

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This is starting to seem more an more like the case of Faisal Shahzad the failed Time Sq. Bomber. Immigrants who tried to make it work in the USA then life didn't work out then became 'self-radicalized'

But were their motivations more about Chechnyan nationalism or anti-Western Radical Islam?

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I hate to get political, but this is not going to help immigration reform, especially in the House.

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How does a 19 year-old slip away? They had a million cops/FBI/etc there and he just drove off? No helicopters?

My bet is he is close by to the location of the shooting. He is probably in some strangers house and is holding them hostage or maybe killed them and his trying to wait it out. That's probably why they are going door to door.

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From what I heard, that uncle only called the older one the loser.  Unfortunately, the younger one apparently got dragged down by by his brother. A shame, as from what I've heard it appears he had a bright future.  Families.  They can lift you up, but they can also drag you down.

How does a 19 year-old slip away? They had a million cops/FBI/etc there and he just drove off? No helicopters?

Since the first cop who was shot was the MIT cop, I suspect the timeline is something like the two were on the MIT campus preparing to plant bombs, the MIT cop discovered them doing what they were doing and ended up being shot and killed, but in doing so started a hurried improvised  manhunt.  Keep in mind, the authorities were presuming that the perpetrators would be trying to hide/get away, not trying to do a second attack in Boston.

This morning both brothers were outside their car in a HUGE shootout with the cops. I saw a guy on MSNBC who lived in apt. overlooking the shootout and he live tweeted it.  He said that one of the suspects got in the car and drove off. Sorry but it seems to me that the cops screwed up. Couldnt follow a car? Even with helicopters. The older one was probably the brains of the pair, but the kid has eluded the cops for about 16 hours now.

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Did these guys think they were going to get away with it. They live only 2 mi from the bombing. The 19 yo was seen on campus at his school this week after the bombing. They appear to have been living at their apt. after the bombing. On the day their photos (but not names) were released they rob a 7-Eleven a few blocks from their place then carjack a guy and force him to give them money. It seems they didn't originally have an escape plan (with car and cash ready). They went along with everyday life.

And if I lived anywhere near there I wouldnt go out on the streets. The kid needs resources so any car or any person is a potential opportunity for cash or transportation.

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The father and an aunt seem to be in denial. Aunt says it is all a setup. That should keep the conspiracy theorists going who will claim all the evidence was 'planted' and these kids are patsies.

btw i wont link it but shot of dead body of older bro is at LiveLeak.com

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This is starting to seem more an more like the case of Faisal Shahzad the failed Time Sq. Bomber. Immigrants who tried to make it work in the USA then life didn't work out then became 'self-radicalized'

But were their motivations more about Chechnyan nationalism or anti-Western Radical Islam?

It seems like the older brother was trouble. I think his life choices were looked down at by his family, who seem to be the "become a doctor or engineer" types. Thus, he may have become radicalized and brought his brother along. This seems to be based in radical islam. I don't know whether the target was America, the west in general, or even Russia (though wouldn't a consulate or the embassy be a better choice?). I really hope they catch the other guy alive so we can understand their motives.

As I pointed out already, the first bomb blast appears to have been about as close to the Russian flag as it was possible for an unattended bag to have been left.  So it seems to me that the placement of that bomb was intended to be anti-Russian, at least in part.

I wonder if there were any high-profile Russian runners. The bombs went off after the crowd thinned out after most of the runners finished. Max casualties would have been earlier so were they trying to target someone in particular?

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looking at the map the house with the boat is only about 4 blocks away from the shootout in the early AM.  So where is the car he drove off in?

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Boston Police scanner
http://www.ydr.com/nation-world/ci_23059137/listen-live-boston-police-scanner?source=most_viewed

Just heard a guy say "do not return fire"

Apparently they want him alive

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From Scanner:
"Negative movement. He's on his back"

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The FBI was involved and the US Attorney, so they will get the case, which means federal changes, which means the kid's going to die like Timothy McVeigh