Should Democrats ditch Biden and Harris in 2024?

[GALeftist]

There are some bad takes here. Everybody’s been quick to jump on the polls being terrible and failing to look at this race in the context of the terrible polls. Everyone’s looking at this is some massive under performance by Joe Biden, but what if this was actually the state of the race this whole time and the data we were using to contextualize the race was all wrong? The party needs new faces, but it’s also abundantly clear that these new faces are not the AOC crowd and their toxic woke politics that so many posters here are likely pining for. This is not about ideology! Anyone who says so hasn’t been paying attention. This is style and personality. Substance is irrelevant. All the debate over that pointless DNC platform was for nothing because it doesn’t mean anything to anybody except the woke online crowd. Hell, the Dems should ditch a platform altogether and run on saying things people want to here but they don’t really mean.

Anyone who thinks this is wrong and bad.

[GALeftist]

All that matters here is states. I frankly don't care if some isolated swing voters voted for Biden but not anyone left of him, if it doesn't swing a state it doesn't matter. With that in mind, which states would we not have won with a more leftist candidate that we even still stand a chance in? Maybe Georgia, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania at best, and I don't really see that many convincing arguments that those shifts would be anything other than marginal. I do, however, see convincing arguments that a progressive might be performing better in Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada, and perhaps even Texas or Arizona.