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Fmr. Gov. NickG
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« on: September 10, 2020, 01:36:08 PM »

Very disturbing, though I'm sure this is not that common.

The anti-Semitism is pouring out of their comments, disgusting.

What disgusts you most about this is anti-Semitism??  Every statement is so utterly disturbing and crazy on its face I don't why why anyone needs to try to dig into some subtextual.  And accusing an entire class of people of sexually abusing and murdering children is much worse than anti-Semitism anyway.
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Fmr. Gov. NickG
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2020, 02:03:40 PM »

Very disturbing, though I'm sure this is not that common.

The anti-Semitism is pouring out of their comments, disgusting.

What disgusts you most about this is anti-Semitism??  Every statement is so utterly disturbing and crazy on its face I don't why why anyone needs to try to dig into some subtextual.  And accusing an entire class of people of sexually abusing and murdering children is much worse than anti-Semitism anyway.

Why do you feel the need to downplay the anti-Semitism? That’s the real question. Those accusations have deep roots in anti-Semitic tropes going back to the middle ages, and the “entire class of people” being accused is more or less viewed as interchangeable with “the Jews” by these people. There is absolutely no separating anti-Semitism from any of this. And I would have thought that, you know, Hitler would have shown just how dangerous and devastating anti-Semitism can be. That you would downplay its severity is bizarre and disturbing.

The suggestion that these people threatening murder/suicide on their entire family is actually an allusion to Goebbels gives these people far too much credit.  They don't know that much history.  And it actually downplays the evil in what they are saying in turning it into an historical allegory rather than a violent threat.
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Fmr. Gov. NickG
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2020, 09:54:42 PM »
« Edited: September 10, 2020, 11:51:13 PM by Fmr. Gov. NickG »

Very disturbing, though I'm sure this is not that common.

The anti-Semitism is pouring out of their comments, disgusting.

What disgusts you most about this is anti-Semitism??  Every statement is so utterly disturbing and crazy on its face I don't why why anyone needs to try to dig into some subtextual.  And accusing an entire class of people of sexually abusing and murdering children is much worse than anti-Semitism anyway.

Do you think these people don’t believe weird sh**t about Jewish people?

Maybe, maybe not. A lot of QAnon is "antisemitism without the Jews." All of the tropes are commonly used in antisemitism, but "Jews" is replaced with "elites" and to some QAnoners, they do not think of them as the same. Others are certainly antisemitic. But presupposing antisemitism onto this specific case when there are about 1,000 things more obviously and clearly wrong with said family is not really helpful.

Would it be that far fetched if their using “elites” as an euphemism? Not saying they are, but it could be.

I don’t think it’s far fetched, but I also don’t really think its necessary.  

I’ve heard that when David Duke started his political career, coming from the National Socialist White People’s Party, he was advised by people around him that he should basically drop the anti-semitism in his message and concentrate on the racism.  It’s not that people he was trying to win over were openly offended by anti-semitism, it’s just that Jews didn’t seem relevant to them and thus it was much easier to connect with people over their mutual hatred of blacks.

I think a lot people attracted to QAnon hate “liberals” and “elites” just because they have a lifelong perception of them as “others”, and not because they think they are all secretly Jewish.
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