Libertarian Party Inside Baseball Politics Thread

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A thread for Libertarians to discuss the party and its figures moving forward.

What's your outlook coming out of the 2020 election for the party? Sarwark stepped down as Party Chair after 6 years in charge, new Chair is Joe Bishop-Henchman, a D.C. attorney.

In Indiana, using the recent successful governor run where in a third of the counties the Libertarian finished ahead of the Democratic nominee, they're looking at organizing more county chapters, looking to double the number. Former LNCC Executive Director Evan McMahon is going to run for state party chair at our convention in 2021.

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Genuine question I've been trying to find out. Is there a single libertarian office holder in the country who has won a contested partisan race? That is they were listed on the ballot as libertarian and beat another candidate?

The libertarian party has a list of Nationwide office holders, including whether the office is partisan or not. But just dabbling around with some things such as a few elected Ohio mayor's it appears all the ones I found were running unopposed.

If so, I'd be interested in knowing if this was some sort of sour grapes run like where a republican incumbent narrowly lost a primary and then ran and won in the general as a Libertarian.

Marshall Burt was just elected as a state legislator in Wyoming, defeating a Democrat in a 2-person race. Bethany Baldes also ran in Wyoming after narrowly losing in 2018 and this year lost by 32 votes in a 2-person race to a Republican.

The party over the years has had a handful of state legislators that won elections. After that, you're down to the elected officials in small towns.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_members_of_state_legislatures_of_the_United_States

People elected as Libertarians, so intentionally not counting mid-term switches:

Alaska

Dick Randolph 1978-82, a Republican that switched parties, but he was elected as a Libertarian for the years shown, first in the country, Libertarian nominee for Governor in 1982
Ken Fanning 1980-82
Andre Marrou 1984-86, Libertarian Vice Presidential nominee in 1988, Presidential nominee in 1992, in part aided by the success of Ross Perot's candidacy, but considered by some the worst presidential nominee in the party's history

New Hampshire

Andy Borsa 1992-???
Don Gorman 1992-2000, ran for Libertarian presidential nomination in 2000, lost to Harry Browne
Jim McClarin 1994-96
Finlay Rothhaus 1991-95
Steve Vaillancourt 2000-02, a Democrat that switched parties, but he was elected as a Libertarian for the years shown
Calvin Warburton 1992-95

(New Hampshire has a lot of elected R, became L switches.)

Vermont

Neil Randall 1998-2002

Wyoming

Marshall Burt elected a month ago, current

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Looking at how Jo Jorgensen did compared to past elections now that results are pretty much final.

Retention of 2016 vote (raw vote total):

Best 5 states:

Utah 97.07% (the McMillan candidacy's effect lowering Johnson's 2016 vote can be seen here, and Idaho below was McMillan's 2nd-best state)
Idaho 57.90%
Louisiana 56.99%
South Carolina 56.74% (Jo Jorgensen and Spike Cohen are South Carolina natives)
Alabama 56.62%

Worst 5 states:

New Mexico 16.88% (Gary Johnson is a New Mexico native)
Oklahoma 29.62%
Minnesota 30.96%
Illinois 31.75%
Wisconsin 32.71%

Comparing percentage of vote to 2012 numbers:

Best 5 states:

Michigan 681.25% (write-in status only in 2012)
Utah 207.32% (Jorgensen's 3rd-best state percentage-wise)
Alabama 183.05%
Virginia 179.01%
Wisconsin 174.63%

(no votes in Oklahoma in 2012 due to no ballot access, so this year is an infinity improvement)

Worst 5 states:

New Mexico 38.31% (again, Johnson-former New Mexico governor)
Arkansas 71.05%
District of Columbia 83.10% (where Jorgensen performed worst percentage-wise)
Vermont 83.76%
Montana 86.64% (Jorgensen's 4th best state percentage-wise)

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Mises Caucus calls Libertarian Party “controlled opposition” for their stances against the free movement and association of the people coup

Looks like the AnCaps might finally split from the Libertarian Party. Might I say that the Libertarian party would be better off without quasi-Nazis following the dogma of Hoppe and Mises.

Mises wouldn't want to be associated with these clowns.  Rothbard would, though.

Has the Mises Caucus always been like this?

They formed in 2017 per lpedia.org. https://lpedia.org/wiki/Mises_Caucus They're "anti-Libertarian Party Establishment". (Chris Spangle ridicules that phrase heavily but it's the best way I can put it.) One of their numbers Josh Smith ran against Nicholas Sarwark for national party chair in 2018 and lost. He lost again in 2020 to Joe Bishop-Henchman, but after losing national party chair both times was elected an At-Large member of the Libertarian National Committee. They were very anti-Bill Weld when he was the VP nominee in 2016 and when it looked like Weld would run for the LP presidential nomination in 2020. They're very pro-Ron Paul.

I don't see a split happening though. What would they split into? A few people tried that post-2006 National Convention and it went nowhere.

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Honestly, I think Spike Cohen deserves consideration for the 2024 nomination. His connection to Muddied Waters Media could be helpful and his social media game is on point.

I'm not in the anarchist wing at all, but he had a great response to the Capitol Raid at IPR.

https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2021/01/spike-cohen-the-reason-for-the-protests-and-riots/

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Is Spike Cohen apart of the LPRadicals

LPedia says yes.

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Well this thread might as well get put to good use

1) Can the Dallas Accords, and its end, be explained

http://lpedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Accord

The Dallas Accord consists of both formal and informal agreements made at the 1974 Libertarian National Convention, and also refers more broadly to the idea of the Libertarian Party remaining neutral with regard to whether the ultimate goal of the party is a world of limited governments or none at all. The Wikipedia page on this topic is woefully incomplete and misleading.

The accord was a compromise between members of the party's larger minarchist and smaller anarchist factions who were desirous to reach some kind of accommodation in order to avoid a split in the new party. Steps taken to implement the accord involved amending the Platform and the Statement of Principles to refrain from explicitly stating whether it was desirable for the State to exist.

At the 2006 National Convention in Portland, an event called "the Portland Massacre" took place. There was a wholesale bloodletting of the platform where numerous planks were just removed that some say negated the Dallas Accord.

https://lpedia.org/wiki/Portland_Massacre

This effort was the result of efforts by the Libertarian Reform Caucus, founded by Carl Milstead, but not all of those voting to delete planks were on board with the LRC's message, as an alternative motive was to clean house on a platform that some considered to be stale and unwieldy [1].

The 2004 National Platform had 61 planks; the 2006 National Platform had only 15. This was not an unmitigated success for the LRC, however, as a great many of the remaining planks were ones that the LRC firmly wanted removed.

https://reason.com/2006/07/07/the-portland-plank-massacre-of/

The LP members in convention assembled have always had the power, via paper vote, to choose to retain or delete any platform plank, outside the normal floor debate. Prior to this convention, that power had never been used once. This time it was used to get rid of almost everything. (Some of the planks still present are the result of fresh floor debates this year that combined elements of previously existing planks into new ones.)

Most party-watchers agree that the Great Portland Plank Massacre of 2006 was the result of a concerted effort by the Libertarian Reform Caucus (LRC), led by former anarcho-Rothbardian turned "holistic politician" Carl Milsted. While its caucus meetings only drew about 50 of the delegates, that was more than enough, with concerted floor work, for the LRC to achieve much of its ostensible goal.

The LRC saw a lot in the old platform as a barrier to their hopes for the LP. Says the group's website: "The platform and message of the Libertarian Party is extreme, sacrificing practicality and political appeal in favor of philosophical consistency with a single axiom. As such, the party currently appeals only to a tiny fraction of the voting public." The LRC couches its plan not in terms of watering down the party, but of opening it up to anyone in the libertarian quadrant of the famous Nolan Chart.

Recommend reading the full Reason article if you're interested. It's a good discussion of "what should this party stand for?" that for example Democrats and Republicans really never have because they don't want anything to occur at their conventions.

As far as caucuses, I need someone with more practical hands-on history than me to comment. But the ones that get mentioned a lot seem to be the Pragmatists, the Mises Caucus, and the Radicals. There's a bunch of smaller caucuses - some serious, some not - but for example there's a Libertarian Socialist caucus and a Povertarian caucus.

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I feel now's a great time for the Libertarians to grab some new members upset with how things are going in their current party. Not sure how many you get though...

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What are the differences between the LPRadicals and the Mises Caucus? Also, what in the world is the povertarian caucus?

The Povertarian Caucus focuses on matters affecting people with lower incomes, both in terms of policy and in terms of internal party matters.

I imagine they would be huge proponents of licensing reform.

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Libertarian Party of Indiana we have affiliated 16 new counties so far this year with 4 more coming in February. That gets us up to 43 out of the 92. I've become a county party chair in one. Was quite the jumping hoops for paperwork to file. Had to file paperwork with the state, register with the IRS, start a bank account for the party, organize a convention which for purposes of starting the party could only be state party members inside the county.

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Podcast of Spike Cohen talking about the successes and failures of the Jorgensen/Cohen campaign.

https://wearelibertarians.com/css-spike-cohen-on-the-successes-and-failures-of-the-jorgensen-cohen-campaign/

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Another Libertarian state legislator I didn't know about, albeit party switch.

From BAN:

MAINE LEGISLATOR REGISTERS AS A LIBERTARIAN

On December 14, Maine state representative John Andrews changed his registration from "Republican" to "Libertarian". He had been re-elected in November 2020 as a Republican. He has been in the legislature since 2018. He is the first legislator to join the Libertarian Party at a time when the Libertarian Party is not a ballot-qualified party in that particular state. Other legislators who switched mid-term to the Libertarian Party, in Nebraska, Nevada, and New Hampshire, always did so only when the party was qualified. The Libertarian lawsuit to regain its qualified status is pending in U.S. District Court.

Couple weekends ago I went to Fort Wayne's county's Libertarian Convention and talking there was a city councilman from a Fort Wayne suburb city that had switched from R to L late last year. Democrats do not exist at all in this city's politics - Republican mayor and was a Republican 5-0 city council sweep - so the Libertarians now enjoy 2nd-party status there. He'll serve until end of 2023 when he faces election again.

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Another BAN:

Wyoming Representative Marshall Burt (Libertarian-Green River) has introduced HB 160. It changes the law on the order of candidates on the general election ballot. Current law puts the nominees of the party that got the most votes in that county for U.S. House on the top line, followed by the nominees of the party whose nominee for U.S. House came in second, and so on. Independent candidates are always listed last.

The bill changes this, so that every candidate has an equal chance to be listed first. Order would be alphabetical, but there would be a random rotation of the letters of the alphabet for that purpose. Thanks to Andy Craig for this news.

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Podcast with the next State Party Chair of Indiana, Evan McMahon.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/23FyVngb6MvSFEtIxYPGxf?si=-tOgmVyPT3yAHx2c56uFWg

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https://m.youtube.com/user/LibertarianParty/featured

Libertarian Party TV channel on YouTube with regularly created content. There's a weekly Candidates show, they've started an affiliates show, if you want to watch the livestreamed LNC meetings they're archived. They also have a Spanish-language weekly show geared to Hispanics.

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Podcast with the next State Party Chair of Indiana, Evan McMahon.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/23FyVngb6MvSFEtIxYPGxf?si=-tOgmVyPT3yAHx2c56uFWg

Wow, it's awesome how organized the IN LP is getting it seems like it's one of the most organized third parties in the country! If you ever run for office Boiler let us know! Seems like the party going really hard on organizing and winning local elections and getting a few libertarians elected in the state assembly and house which is a pretty difficult task but Wyoming electing one shows it's possible especially if you go after uncontested seats. Ideologically I agree with libertarians on a little less than half of all the issues but I'm in favor of reforming our democracy and allowing other parties to be relevant so if you can make a difference in IN go for it.

Thanks. I'll probably run for county council next year. I don't expect to win, but I can use that for name value to run again for the county council at-large seats in 2024 where the straight ticket voting does not apply. If I'm the only non-R on the ballot, it gives me a plausible path to finishing 3rd of 4 (you vote for 3).

Right now I'm a county party chair and I need to grow my county party. Thinking of the how is so far a struggle. We practice party membership, which is something Republicans and Democrats don't do. Your party membership in effect is which party's primary you choose to vote in. Well, we don't have access to the primary per state election law. So I'm going to do some community events in the summer when stuff opens up hopefully and just hold conversations with people. I've already talked to a bunch of people that are supportive, but for longer-term stability of the party in the county I need more party members.

I really feel there's an opening here because the Democrats in this county have no visible presence. In 2020, they did not run a single candidate for county office. In 2018, they had 1. My strategy to "grow the party here" is to start off we have to replace the Democrats as the established #2. So one reason I am running in 2022 for county council is I want to be able to state we have more candidates running than the local Democrats do.

In our most recent governor's election, the Libertarian finished ahead of the Democrat in this county as he did in about a third of the state's counties. There's circumstances of course for why that was that probably won't play a factor in future races, but the ballot access race for Indiana politics is the Secretary of State election in 2022. According to what Indiana state law says, one seat on the election board is reserved for each of the top two-placed parties in the most recent Secretary of State race. So if we finished ahead of the Democratic candidate in our county for Secretary of State in 2022, we would hold the seat on the election board for the next 4 years, not them. I've talked to some friends that are Republicans and told them this, and they're "oh yeah, I'll vote for your guy for Secretary of State", so when campaigning in 2022 I'll make sure to state that. (We need 2% statewide in the Secretary of State race to retain our universal ballot access for the next 4 years, we've been able to do this consistently since 1994. If we somehow got 10%, we would get access to a primary. Word is Donald Rainwater, who ran for Governor in 2020 and got 11.4%, may run for Secretary of State to use his name value.)

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Per Jilleta Jarvis, will be no new posts on social media until the end of the weekend.

This deserves infinitely more context than "Mises Caucus Bad!"

Basically, there were elections for statewide LP positions in New Hampshire and the Mises Caucus swept nearly all of the available elected positions, including a majority of the executive committee and control of essential party functions including, of all things, control of the party Twitter account. The new holder of the Twitter account so enraged the national chair that he backed the NHLP chair in unilaterally kicking out basically the entire elected apparatus including the ExCom. The pretense was that the ExCom had expelled a member and was about to kick out all non-MC members but even the expelled member herself says this is nonsense.

The execution here was so bad that even a huge portion of non-MC libertarians are on their side. Obviously the state chair of a party can't just seize control if she doesn't like the person appointed to run the Twitter account by the duly elected party officials. If this is the best the anti-MC forces in the LP have to offer then the MC will have total control of the national party soon enough.

Not aware of what went on this past weekend other than I saw a post on Facebook from an LNC alternate representative from my state saying he was heavily disappointed in the decorum. I did see Richard Winger publish something at Ballot Access News (which is odd for him to post on internal party matters) and had 200 posts, which I'd not yet brought myself to read.

First, like I was telling PSOL in the 3rd party thread when it came to the American Solidarity Party's Twitter, who controls an official Twitter account and what he or she posts should have heavy internal vetting before it ever gets published. In my opinion it's no place for even a person's opinion because how do we know that opinion represents the party? The only opinions that should ever be posted acting as if it speaks for the entire organization should be the equivalent of a party resolution that carries a majority of the operating committee and nothing less.

Second, the Mises Caucus are best understood as the Libertarians' Tea Party or Sanders supporters crowd of their real enemy is not the other political party, it's the moderates in their midst that compromise. As far as Libertarians are concerned, the real philosophical argument is one of direction vs. destination. Direction Libertarians say every incremental improvement toward greater personal liberty is a success with the acknowledgement it's going to take many many years to get to where they want. Destination Libertarians are "why should I wait? I want greater personal liberty now!" and are less likely to compromise. You can see how the direction libertarians piss the destination libertarians off.

The Mises Caucus's real goal is to get the national party leadership. Their candidate lost the 2018 race to Nicholas Sarwark's 3rd term and in 2020 to Joe Bishop-Henchman. Not sure if Josh Smith plans on running again in 2022 or not. I know one candidate is Angela McArdle who is presently the Chair of the Libertarian Party of Los Angeles. If what Lustration says is true, does not reflect well on JBH.

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Good comment discussion of events here: https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2021/06/nh-libertarian-party-chairwoman-unilaterally-dissolves-and-replaces-executive-committee-bylaws/

Thomas Knapp and George Phillies are longtime party activists.

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There is a newly elected LP Chair, former LP Texas Chair Whitney Bilyeu.

Anyone know anything about her or how the vote went?

https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2021/07/lnc-taps-whitney-bilyeu-of-texas-as-new-chair/

The Libertarian National Committee has announced that Whitney Bilyeu of Texas will serve as the new Chair of the LNC.

“Her natural ability to lead and her drive for excellence make her an outstanding choice for the position,” the LNC said via press release.

The LNC convened a special session to fill the vacancy left by Joe Bishop-Henchman’s resignation in June. Over the previous two weeks, members of the committee nominated candidates to fill the position. LNC members used RCV (ranked-choice voting) to select their preferred candidate from the pool of nominees or to select NOTA (None of the Above). Should NOTA have prevailed, Acting Chair Ken Moellman would have continued to serve in his capacity until the national convention in May of 2022.

“The Libertarian National Committee, and the Libertarian Party as a whole, is emerging from a trying time,” said Bilyeu. “It is, however, far from the most tumultuous in the Party’s long history. I accept the great honor to lead this committee as Chair with the optimism that, united by our common principles, we emerge from the divisions and uncertainties of the past month with a renewed commitment to each other in our shared cause. It is a testament to our growth and strength as a Party that the good work of our activists, affiliates, and staff all around the country has continued unabated throughout. It is that same strength and perseverance that will continue to carry us forward. I would like to express my deepest gratitude to Vice-Chair Ken Moellman for bearing the burdens of this past month with dignity, compassion, and unstinting diligence as we work toward solutions to the challenges we confront. I look forward to continuing to work with Mr. Moellman, the other members of the LNC, our affiliates, and our staff. We have great things ahead of us as a Party and, together, I know we will accomplish them.”

Bilyeu is the current Region 7 Representative to the LNC and also the Chair of Texas LP. In 2020 she was a candidate for Texas State Board of Education in District 6, winning 2.9% of the vote in a tightly contested race. Republican Will Hickman won that election with 49.8%, defeating Democrat Michelle Palmer who captured 47.4% of the vote.

“Ms. Bilyeu’s wide breadth of experience at all levels of the party will be invaluable to understanding and engaging with our affiliates, our members, our candidates, and our supporters,” added Tyler Harris, the LP’s Executive Director. “The Libertarian Party has a proud 50-year legacy of advocacy for individual liberty and of challenging the omnipotent state. I congratulate Whitney on taking a place in that legacy as the party’s 21st National Chair. I look forward to working together on the critical work so important to executing the vision of our Party: supporting over 230 elected officials around the country, expanding our party infrastructure and activity at the grassroots level, running energetic and successful campaigns, growing the party’s legislative impact, and spreading a message of liberty.”

The LP of Indiana State Central Committee has a meeting about their reaction to the whole deal on Youtube I still need to watch (about an hour).

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This episode of the Chris Spangle Show had a discussion with a bunch of guys that have been around forever at high levels to discuss the history of political infighting in the party. They don't talk about the LPNH shenanigans and who was right vs. wrong as it was still going on, but the front half tackles activism and the Mises Caucus. In the back half of the podcast however is a small amount of discussion on the Dallas Accords and then a very detailed "what the hell happened" at the 1983 Libertarian Convention where the party split. I didn't know this, but there was a consensus candidate for the 1984 presidency race at the 1983 Convention. A week before the Convention, he dropped out. And this is all pre-internet and the media wasn't covering the inner workings of the Libertarian presidential nomination, so delegates travelled to the Convention, showed up, and learned there that what they thought was going to happen for the presidential nomination was not the case at all.

https://wearelibertarians.com/css-a-brief-history-of-libertarian-party-infighting/

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National Secretary Caryn Ann Harlos suspended a few days ago by a supermajority vote 11-2-1 of the National Committee. This is aftermath of the New Hampshire stuff and Joe Bishop-Henchman resigning as National Party Chair. Harlos would be on the anti-JBH side of things. Not sure if she's Mises Caucus or Radical Caucus. Imagine the most perfectly competent secretary at doing her job but is a complete asshole to everyone that disagrees with her...with pink hair.

Her and JBH both gone probably right result in the end. I have no doubt she'll seek a comeback at the 2022 Reno National Convention.

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Looks like things will get very nasty. According to rumors she went off after the ruling

Predictably, Harlos is losing her mind… vowing to get even (“bitches!”), denouncing the 11 or 12 members who wouldn’t stand by her as corrupt actors and scumbags, railing about too many “soy boys” in the party, and cackling about her Mises Caucus friends replacing all her LNC enemies in Reno.

From LP insiders

My current state party chair in Indiana, Evan McMahon, ran against her for National Secretary at the 2020 Convention. He stated all this in his reaction video on Youtube to the LNC/LPNH aftermath. Good view on all that in a stepping back from it and take a breath way: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bQBF8UqNZe0&t=3s . The main reason he said he ran against Harlos was he did not agree with how she treated people and did her job. Harlos' response to this was people knew she was this way, and were okay with it because she got elected to the job. She won 461-417.

The party officers other than National Chair are all elected via approval voting. So we'll see.

By the way, if you ever want the clearest case of a person writing their own biography in a wiki, check out Caryn Ann Harlos' at LPedia. https://lpedia.org/wiki/Caryn_Ann_Harlos

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The Mises Caucus is absolutely taking over the party. And good for them, the LP has been pathetic these past few years, especially with frauds like Sarwark and Bishop-Henchman at the helm.

The LNC suspension of Harlos is bullsh**t too, the corrupt "establishment" of the LP is desperately trying to do anything to prevent the Mises Caucus from taking over. Watch what happens in May 2022.

There's no such thing as an LP establishment. Go listen to about a dozen Chris Spangle podcasts for why, because he's railed on it for quite awhile when hearing this.

As far as Harlos, choosing to be an asshole to your peers and selective enforcement of rules depending on when it benefits you and when it does not has always been a great way to find yourself fired in any line of work. JBH was wrong for what he did and resigned. Harlos was wrong in what she did too.

The 2022 Convention will be something. Depends on which side is motivated enough to become delegates and willing to take a trip to Reno, Nevada.

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The Mises Caucus is absolutely taking over the party. And good for them, the LP has been pathetic these past few years, especially with frauds like Sarwark and Bishop-Henchman at the helm.

The LNC suspension of Harlos is bullsh**t too, the corrupt "establishment" of the LP is desperately trying to do anything to prevent the Mises Caucus from taking over. Watch what happens in May 2022.

There's no such thing as an LP establishment. Go listen to about a dozen Chris Spangle podcasts for why, because he's railed on it for quite awhile when hearing this.

As far as Harlos, choosing to be an asshole to your peers and selective enforcement of rules depending on when it benefits you and when it does not has always been a great way to find yourself fired in any line of work. JBH was wrong for what he did and resigned. Harlos was wrong in what she did too.

The 2022 Convention will be something. Depends on which side is motivated enough to become delegates and willing to take a trip to Reno, Nevada.

Yeah, I put it in parenthesis for a reason. The LP has no power, but the people currently at the top of the party are VERY out of touch with the base of party members. So it works very much the same way that the current Republican establishment does.

Then elect new ones. It's not like this is the DNC and RNC where they keep the grassroots out of decision making as much as possible. JBH was elected at Convention last year by a majority of delegates. In most states, all it takes to become a delegate is interest to be one. You want to be a delegate from Wisconsin and vote all these people out, go do it. There's nothing stopping you other than yourself.

I just don't understand the goal of the insurgent Mises Caucus. Take control of the Libertarian Party? Okay, then what? What does control mean? What on the platform or bylaws are they changing via 2/3rds approval at a Convention? What in the Statement of Principles are they changing via 7/8ths approval at a Convention? Be an asshole on Twitter like happened in New Hampshire? I can go to the TalkElections forum and get that level of insight, but like those people you're never going to accomplish anything in life.

The Mises Caucus and the national Libertarian Party have literally next to zero impact in Indiana or on me running my county party chapter, mostly due to libertarians do not believe in greater centralized power. That's why everyone turned against the actions of JBH was because he tried to push himself into the "sovereign" affairs of a state party affiliate. My concerns are replacing the Democratic Party as the #2 party in my area because they put forth zero effort in doing anything and don't even run candidates, and therefore we have to be the ones that keep the party that has a monopoly on power in the county - the Republicans - honest off the backs of our candidate for Governor receiving more votes than the Democrat did.

There are very clearly wedge issues going on in this country right now that a Libertarian sharply contrasting case can be made. Mask and vaccine mandates, Afghanistan, executive orders that never end, the overpowering of the executive branches compared to Congress and legislative bodies becoming more and more meaningless, Medicare and Social Security will run out of money, the centralization of power into a greater number of unelected bureaucrats. No one outside of party insiders has any clue about the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire or the national party secretary. Mises Caucus wants to have a real impact on me, help me get more party members inside my county preparing for the runup to 2022. I have myself and 2 other people running for county office next year. I doubt the other 2 candidates know what a Mises Caucus is.

I'd have interest in voting for a Mises Caucus person if I were a delegate. But it would be based on stated plans for growth, interaction with the public and media, recruiting of new party members and candidates, putting Libertarian policy out to the public. You know, sh**t that actually matters.

As far as Harlos goes, she's always been provocative and do and rowdy. It's who she is, and people have known that for a long time.

This is the Donald Trump argument. "You knew I was an asshole. Therefore, I can say and do anything because I'm living up to my character."