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« on: August 25, 2020, 08:25:29 AM »
« edited: August 25, 2020, 08:29:12 AM by StateBoiler »

For people that have been here many generations, it's the only logical answer for ethnicity on the census form. My dad's family is Scotch-Irish with some Cherokee thrown in. My mom's family is German. What am I supposed to select if given a list of European nationalities? The only sensible selection is "white American". Now throw on top of it I have a couple kids and I have no idea really what my wife's family are beyond "white American" when that is half my kids genetically. You also have people that only follow ethnicity paternally because that's where their surname comes from, so they can make a selection but the selection is probably wrong.

"Scotch-Irish" is a term that's meaningless outside America anyway*, so I'm not convinced that "American" isn't a better designator.

A very few Ulster Protestants will identify as Ulster Scots, but it's a minority pursuit and none of them will use the term 'Scotch-Irish', nor is there very much in common culturally between Ballymena and Appalachia.

No one here uses Ulster Scots. If forced to select something European with a gun to my head, I'd say Scotch-Irish.
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2020, 09:24:08 AM »

For people that have been here many generations, it's the only logical answer for ethnicity on the census form. My dad's family is Scotch-Irish with some Cherokee thrown in. My mom's family is German. What am I supposed to select if given a list of European nationalities? The only sensible selection is "white American". Now throw on top of it I have a couple kids and I have no idea really what my wife's family are beyond "white American" when that is half my kids genetically. You also have people that only follow ethnicity paternally because that's where their surname comes from, so they can make a selection but the selection is probably wrong.

"Scotch-Irish" is a term that's meaningless outside America anyway*, so I'm not convinced that "American" isn't a better designator.

A very few Ulster Protestants will identify as Ulster Scots, but it's a minority pursuit and none of them will use the term 'Scotch-Irish', nor is there very much in common culturally between Ballymena and Appalachia.

No one here uses Ulster Scots. If forced to select something European with a gun to my head, I'd say Scotch-Irish.

Yes, to be clear I wasn't suggesting that 'Ulster Scots' should start being used in America - it's more than a little tendentious even in Ulster. I'm just saying that Scots-Irish refers to an identity that certainly doesn't exist in Europe now and arguably never did - it is very much an American identity.

The only reason the term Scotch-Irish exists is for the earlier arrivals that had established themselves in the U.S. (and were entirely Protestant) to differentiate themselves from the later much lower-class Irish Catholics.

I need to confirm this as I have to do my own geneology work (my great grandfather was kind of orphaned, so family records are a bit of a mess), but a cousin of mine looked into it and followed the line back paternally, thinks we're from County Antrim in Northern Ireland.
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2020, 08:54:31 AM »
« Edited: September 10, 2020, 09:11:05 AM by StateBoiler »

For people that have been here many generations, it's the only logical answer for ethnicity on the census form. My dad's family is Scotch-Irish with some Cherokee thrown in. My mom's family is German. What am I supposed to select if given a list of European nationalities? The only sensible selection is "white American". Now throw on top of it I have a couple kids and I have no idea really what my wife's family are beyond "white American" when that is half my kids genetically. You also have people that only follow ethnicity paternally because that's where their surname comes from, so they can make a selection but the selection is probably wrong.

"Scotch-Irish" is a term that's meaningless outside America anyway*, so I'm not convinced that "American" isn't a better designator.

A very few Ulster Protestants will identify as Ulster Scots, but it's a minority pursuit and none of them will use the term 'Scotch-Irish', nor is there very much in common culturally between Ballymena and Appalachia.

No one here uses Ulster Scots. If forced to select something European with a gun to my head, I'd say Scotch-Irish.

Let's not act like picking the ethnicity associated with a surname or picking a plurality is somehow less "accurate" than simply saying "American," haha.

Then what should I select? There's no such thing as a "European" or "European-American" ethnicity. I've laid out to you all the data I have, tell me the better answer.
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